In this episode of the Smarter Not Harder Podcast, Dr. Bia Labate joins Boomer Anderson for a deeply honest, educational, and wide-ranging conversation about ayahuasca, psychedelic churches, Indigenous reciprocity, and the founding story of Chacruna — one of the most influential organizations in the psychedelic space.

Join us as we delve into:
• Why the psychedelic movement needs decolonization and critical dialogue
• How Bia became a hub for global ayahuasca culture
• The role of Chacruna in academic activism and social justice
• The legal, ethical, and cultural realities of psychedelic churches today

This episode is for you if:
• You're curious about the non-clinical side of psychedelic healing
• You want to understand Indigenous reciprocity and decolonizing philanthropy
• You care about equity, ethics, and the future of psychedelics
• You want to learn from one of the most trusted voices in the psychedelic movement

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Youtube: https://youtu.be/mT2X41sXOUE

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