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We've Got To Talk

We've Got To Talk

By: Nicole Fonarow and Jolene Conway
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Our story begins in the halls of the University of Iowa, go Hawks! It was there that two seemingly different paths intersected and a friendship blossomed. Despite our different upbringings—Jolene in little Pleasantville, Iowa, and me, Nicole, just across the Golden Gate Bridge in the bustling Bay Area—we became fast friends. And here we are, almost 40 years later, living in a world that often seems intent on drawing lines in the sand and choosing sides. So why "We've Got To Talk"? Because we truly believe that in this deeply divided society, the power of conversation can unite us. Our goal isn't to change each other's opinions, but to listen with curiosity, kindness, and empathy. And yes, to have a good time while doing it! We invite you to join us on this journey and bring your friends along. We might not have all the answers or any of them—but we promise honesty, empathy, and a lot of heart. We hope our conversations give you a fresh outlook or at least entertain you as you go about your day.Copyright 2025 Nicole Fonarow and Jolene Conway Political Science Politics & Government Social Sciences
Episodes
  • Why Americans are So Mean to Each Other
    Sep 10 2025

    Everyone's noticed it, but nobody wants to say it out loud: Americans have gotten meaner. Or at least, that’s what David Brooks believes. Today we're discussing an article that David wrote for The Atlantic, “How America Got Mean”. His explanation for our national cruelty crisis left Nicole feeling defeated, and Jolene a little more optimistic.

    Regardless of whether the article was perhaps a little over dramatic, both Nicole and Jolene agreed there is something very wrong with the way Americans are treating each other. And it seems to have gotten worse over the last 20 years.

    So how did we get here?

    In this episode, we take a look at what we’re doing wrong and what might help us get back to a kinder America.

    RESOURCES MENTIONED:

    How America Got Mean

    Ground News

    The Progress Network

    We Haven’t Given Up On Gen Z

    The Music Bar


    LINKS:

    On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

    On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

    How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

    How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

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    46 mins
  • Trump, Putin, and Zelensky Meetings: What Really Happened Behind Closed Doors?
    Sep 3 2025

    When Trump and Putin meet in Alaska, followed by Zelensky and European leaders rushing to D.C. to meet Trump 3 days later, you know something big is happening. But what exactly? The headlines give us locations and handshakes, but the real story is what we're not being told. Today we're diving into the kitchen-table conversations everyone's having but nobody wants to say out loud: What's really going on with this war, and who's actually calling the shots?

    I (Jolene) watched this Alaska meeting unfold with fascination. Here's Trump getting two of the world's most complicated leaders to sit down on American soil. That's not accidental. As a conservative, I'm curious about the power dynamics at play and what this could mean for America's position globally.

    Nicole's reaction was pure skepticism. She's wondering if this was all performative theater, especially given how the media has painted Putin as the ultimate villain and a war criminal, and we both agree he’s bad news.

    But here's what we both agreed on: these aren't casual coffee meetings. When world leaders drop everything to fly to remote locations, something significant is happening.

    RESOURCES MENTIONED:

    Straight Arrow News

    https://san.com/


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    54 mins
  • What It's Really Like Being a Woman in 2025
    Aug 27 2025

    What does it mean to be a woman in 2025?

    We talked to women across generations - from 20-somethings navigating career ambitions to 80-year-olds who've watched the Republican party evolve around them. The answers surprised us. Despite decades of progress, some battles feel eerily familiar. We were given the task of interviewing some of the women in our social circles, to get their take on what it means to be a woman, and how they feel things have changed over time.

    I (Nicole) interviewed friends who've climbed corporate ladders while dealing with dress codes that still treat women like decoration rather than decision-makers.

    Jolene's conversations revealed a different tension: maintaining Christian and Republican values while navigating modern feminism. The assumption that Republican women can't be feminists sparked passionate responses from her circle. Turns out, political identity and gender advocacy don't fit into neat boxes.

    RESOURCES MENTIONED:

    Socialist Video: https://youtu.be/QkO63lMyAhE?si=_bvsA8TtVo06LV39


    LINKS:

    On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

    On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

    How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

    How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/


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    53 mins
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