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By: Dan Bowyer & Mads Jensen - SuperSeed
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This week's happenings in startup and investing land. Getting underneath VC, and discussing how to better support the European startup eco-system.

Every week we share what's been on our mind and get under the skin of VC, investing, startups and founder psychology.

From the team behind SuperSeed who invest in technical teams solving difficult business problems.

The network is run on LinkedIn so join me there - https://www.linkedin.com/in/danbowyer/

With full interview audio and video uploaded to all major outlets.

Love to hear from you - dan@superseed.com

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  • 2025 Christmas Special - It’s a Wrap!
    Dec 20 2025

    With European VCs Lomax, Mads, Andrew and Dan

    2025 year-in-review for European tech: capital, unicorns, geopolitics, AI, health, defence, and space space spaaaace.

    01:25 – European tech in numbers

    • $45bn into European startups (flat vs 2023–24, still ~½ of 2021 peak).
    • 28 new unicorns in 2025 (up from 14 in 2024).
    • US dominates: ~$250bn private tech funding.
    • VC fundraising still tight (~$10bn into European funds).
    • Exits are back: Wiz–Google, Klarna IPO, SMG IPO.

    04:16 – 2025 in one sentence

    • Dan: “Extreme volatility.”
    • Lomax: “The final nail in globalisation.”
    • Mads: “China became a true peer to the US.”
    • Andrew: “Shipping fast beat gold-plated tech.”

    05:49 – Most exciting tech moments

    • Mads: Claude Code, Chinese open-source AI, ASML–Mistral deal.
    • Lomax: Wiz’s $32bn cash exit.
    • Andrew: 6G moves from lab to real specs.

    08:39 – Darwin Awards (biggest screw-ups)

    • Dan: Meta / Zuckerberg.
    • Lomax: The entire EU institutional stack.
    • Mads: Europe exporting founders to the US (incentive failure).
    • Andrew: Rachel Reeves & UK growth policy.

    11:59 – What smart people got wrong

    • Mads: GPU bans didn’t stop China—backfired.
    • Lomax: AI bubble didn’t burst.
    • Dan: Investors piling blindly into defence.
    • Andrew: LLMs are “dial-up,” not the endgame.

    16:42 – Why 2025 was a good year

    • Europe got a massive wake-up call (Dan).
    • 4 new European decacorns (Lomax).
    • Founders kept building despite chaos (Mads).
    • VC rediscovered deep tech & hardware (Andrew).

    21:23 – Geopolitics: a less naive world

    • Globalisation fragmenting into blocs.
    • Trust replaced by “trust but verify.”
    • Sovereignty = opportunity for European founders (AI, defence, energy).

    34:30 – AI Corner: the year AI got real

    • DeepSeek shock wipes ~$600bn off Nvidia (Jan).
    • Claude Code: $1bn ARR in ~6 months.
    • Google Gemini comeback beats rivals on benchmarks.
    • China dominates open-source AI.
    • Rise of VLAs (Vision-Language-Action models) → physical AI, robotics.
    • Big question for 2026: “Are we the horses?”

    47:44 – Health & bio highlights

    • GLP-1s everywhere: diabetes → cardio, kidney, neuro.
    • Sales ~$62bn, heading toward $120bn+.
    • Preventative health clinics scale (Function, Neko).
    • Biotech rebounds; AI-designed drugs hit Phase 2.
    • Psychedelics back: AbbVie deal, mental health momentum.

    56:51 – Defence & space

    • Modern warfare now rewards fast shipping founders.
    • Global launch cadence: every ~1.5 days.
    • Space shifts from experimentation → permanent infrastructure.
    • Blue Origin finally launches New Glenn; SpaceX eyes Mars (again).
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  • Why Company Sovereignty Matters - China's $1trn Surplus Flood Zone - European Punching
    Dec 13 2025

    Upside is a weekly pod that looks at the global news headlines and works out what really matters for European tech, venture, startups and investing.

    With European VCs - Lomax Ward, Dan Bowyer and Mads Jensen

    What’s on the docket this week:

    •SpaceX mega-raise / IPO noise: “what are you really buying?”

    •“Europe’s euro success”: North–South polarity flipping

    •China’s $1T+ goods trade surplus + what it means for Europe

    •US defence spend reality check

    •AI corner: chips, models, and AI bubble chatter

    00:44 — Is DeepMind a “UK business”?

    02:07 — Sovereignty is back baby!

    •In defence / strategic sectors, cap table sovereignty now affects outcomes.

    •Mentioned: UK rules requiring government consent in certain sectors (context: national security screening).

    03:18 — DeepMind × UK DSIT partnership

    •New partnership + UK research lab expansion; tied to the AI Security Institute and public services.

    06:20 — AI tutor moment (education-focused Gemini)

    •Vision: curriculum-grounded AI tutor as a once-in-a-generation lever for education.

    08:56 — SpaceX: IPO in 2026? Raise ~ $30B? Valuation talk: $1.5T

    •Why IPO now if private markets still open? Answer: scale + capital needs + timing.

    ◦Starlink: fast-growing, high-margin connectivity “golden goose”

    14:18 — The “rest of the valuation”: orbital data centres thesis

    •Speculative upside: compute in orbit (solar intensity, cooling, vacuum data transmission).

    •Reality check: today’s revenue is tiny; power + mass constraints are brutal.

    •Europe lens: founder talent often needs the US ecosystem to build at this frontier.

    20:02 — Europe gets hit from both sides: US + China

    •US signals Western Europe is lower priority; more warmth to Central/Eastern Europe (per discussion).

    •China’s exports keep powering ahead; tariffs leak via third-country routing.

    25:45 — Musk vs EU + the single-market problem

    •Musk lobs political grenades after X/EU regulatory action (context: DSA).

    •Core structural issue raised: no true EU single market in financial services → higher friction + lost productivity.

    29:17 — Defence spending

    •Warning to VCs: commitments don’t equal budgets landing now.

    •Startup mismatch: defence procurement cycles vs 18–24 month funding cadence.

    32:19 — AI corner: “bubble” talk + positioning

    •Institutions trimming exposure at the margin, but not fleeing.

    •View expressed: still upside runway, despite concentration and risk-off hedging.

    33:44 — Europe W: Mistral open-sources DevStral 2 (coding model)

    •Narrative: Europe “back in the open-source game.”

    •Contrast: Meta reportedly leaning toward a closed model strategy (“Avocado” mentioned).

    35:23 — Chips geopolitics: Nvidia H200s, China domestic ramp

    •Thesis: export controls accelerate Chinese domestic chip ecosystems.

    •Mentions: Huawei Ascend; Moore Threads momentum (plus broader “self-reliance” logic).

    38:18 — Deal of the week: Unconventional AI — $475M seed

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  • Europe’s Comeback - Brexit 2.0 - Another ‘Code Red’ & Roll Up Roll Ups
    Dec 6 2025

    Upside #69 - For the real news behind the headlines affecting European venture, startups and investing. Every week Mads, Lomax, Andrew and myself (Dan) get together and chat.

    Bending Spoons

    01:27 Berkshire-like roll-up; mostly debt-funded; big integration/tech-debt execution risk.

    3:30 “US→Italy arbitrage”—cut expensive US costs, rebuild with top Italian talent + high-efficiency culture; cash-cow ops; high employee satisfaction.

    05:13 Success likely hinges on better distribution/ops than previous owners.

    Brexit + Europe’s challenges

    07:01 “trade intensity” vs G7—UK uniquely diverging down since 2019; services don’t offset goods loss.

    09:20 Labour red lines may shift; customs union helps goods but politically messy (standards).

    11:02 IKEA label anecdote → regulatory complexity.

    12:30 VW/Europe: China competition + governance/union constraints; Europe slow to reform; supply-chain ripple risks.

    23:00 Ecosystem fix: more R&D, talent/immigration, cut red tape, govt as buyer; biggest issue = late-stage capital/pensions.

    AI Corner
    32:20 OpenAI “code red” on Google; distribution battle; OpenAI focusing on product vs ads/monetisation.

    36:03 Winners = product + distribution + cost at scale (Google infra/TPUs advantage).

    39:03 Anthropic IPO rumours (2026) debated: access to bigger pools vs “top of cycle” cynicism.

    Deal of the week
    41:54 Black Forest Labs — $300m at $3.25bn; image-model leader; strong ARR rumoured.

    43:13 ICEYE — €200m at ~€2.5bn; SAR satellites; defence demand.

    44:05 Expedition Growth Capital fundraise — €323m.

    44:23 Neurocore — ~$2.5m; platform tooling for robotics ML teams.

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