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By: Brandon Spain & Lindsy Waters
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 What’s beyond the veil? The nature of this world we live in is unrefined. Yes, we live in this multifaceted world of the SEEN and the UNSEEN. In each episode we go beyond the veil in our own personal unrefined way. Our podcast recipe includes: the supernatural, the strange and unexplained from a biblical perspective, PLUS deep dives into the Word AND a wee bit of the conspiratorial for good measure.Unrefined LLC Christianity Social Sciences Spirituality
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  • E169 Weird Is Biblical… and We’ve Got More Proof

    E169 Weird Is Biblical… and We’ve Got More Proof
    Aug 18 2025

    This conversation gets Holy Spirit wild! We toss the religious rule book aside and step straight into the deep end of supernatural encounters—exploring altered states of consciousness in the Bible, Old Testament prophets who acted in ways that would shock most church folks today, and how these experiences can’t be judged by outward appearance alone with returning guest Dr. Merrill Greene, author of Drunk in the Spirit. Merrill unpacks both the scholarship and the strangeness, tying ecstatic experiences to solid biblical precedent, while Brandon shares some wild personal stories (including one about Sandy getting “glued” to the floor). From Saul’s prophetic nakedness to modern misunderstandings like “Kundalini” accusations, this episode pushes past fear, control, and skepticism to ask—what if God is stranger than we think, and closer than we realize?

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    Timestamps
    00:08 Saul’s example and modern parallels
    00:27 Intro to the episode
    01:00 Holy Spirit wild and Dr. Merrill Greene returns
    02:50 From cessationist to charismatic
    05:13 Brandon’s and Sandy’s personal encounters
    07:35 Power of lived experience over doctrine
    09:55 Old Testament altered states examples
    12:16 Misunderstanding altered states in the West
    14:26 Academic hesitation toward supernatural topics
    16:41 Biblical illiteracy and ignoring the weird parts
    19:03 Letting go of control for God’s purposes
    21:17 Practicing and maturing in spiritual gifts
    23:36 Signs that make you wonder
    26:00 Ephesians 5:18 and spiritual intoxication
    28:16 Tongues under the prophetic ecstasy umbrella
    30:41 Biblical and extra-biblical perspectives
    33:07 Archaeology, incense, and hallucinogenics
    35:28 Strange fire and God’s terms for communication
    37:50 Lonnie Frisbee and encountering Jesus despite drugs
    39:55 Future revival and manifestations
    42:25 Kundalini accusations and discernment of spirits
    44:47 Mislabeling spirits and Catholic demonology
    47:35 Closing and where to find Dr. Merrill Greene
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    49 mins
  • E168 When Science Meets the Spirit?

    E168 When Science Meets the Spirit?
    Aug 11 2025
    Ever wondered if remote viewing is just government psy-op weirdness, or WHAT!? In this episode, we welcome back Matthew McGuire—biblical scholar turned parapsychology researcher—to help us sort through the controversy. We explore remote viewing from its scientific roots in the Rhine Research Center and military intelligence units, to its surprising parallels with Christian spiritual gifts like prophecy and words of knowledge. From biblical examples to Watchman Nee’s take on the latent power of the soul, this one hits every angle: theology, science, history, and controversy. Whether you're curious, skeptical, or already peeking through the veil, this episode is an eye-opener.Matthews Book- A Magical World -https://amzn.to/4mcRFXShttps://mattmcguire.net/https://www.rhineedu.orghttps://unrefinedpodcast.com📚 Books & Authors Mentioned"The Gift: ESP, the Extraordinary Experiences of Ordinary People"📖 Author: Sally Rhine Feather (daughter of J.B. Rhine)Overview of ESP phenomena and historical studies."The Sense of Being Stared At"📖 Author: Rupert SheldrakeExperiments on telepathy, animal behavior, and intuition."Irreducible Mind"📖 Authors: Edward Kelly et al.Massive academic compendium of empirical ESP research from the University of Virginia."Reading the Enemy’s Mind"📖 Author: Paul H. SmithIn-depth history of the U.S. military's remote viewing program."The Essential Guide to Remote Viewing"📖 Author: Paul H. SmithPractical instruction and philosophy of remote viewing."Remote Viewing Secrets"📖 Author: Joe McMoneagleTechniques and experiences from one of the top military remote viewers."Phenomena: The Secret History of the U.S. Government's Investigations into Extrasensory Perception and Psychokinesis"📖 Author: Annie JacobsenJournalistic overview of government-funded psychic research.Watchman Nee – "The Latent Power of the Soul"Discussed for its theological warning against reactivating pre-fall soul powers."Drunk in the Spirit" Paper back and Kindle version Brand-new book on trance and ecstasy in the Bible; referenced for biblical context on altered statesAs an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchasesTimestamps:00:06 Navigating the tension of faith and caution 01:59 What is remote viewing? 02:44 History of parapsychology and its Christian overlaps 04:48 Empirical evidence and scientific classification 05:47 Defining remote viewing from a parapsychology lens 07:26 Comparing charismatic gifts and psychic ability 09:49 Matt’s personal research journey and resources 12:08 Mechanics of remote viewing vs. spiritual gifts 14:30 Signal, noise, and analytical overlay 16:50 Prophetic missteps and community interpretation 19:15 Biblical school of prophets and sanctification 21:37 Watchman Nee and latent power of the soul 24:04 Soul powers pre-fall and spiritual caution 26:29 Trauma, programming, and remote viewing triggers 28:45 Evangelical fear vs. divine sovereignty 31:08 Divination in Scripture and biblical nuance 33:30 The role of intention in discerning practices 35:43 Trance, ecstasy, and biblical precedent 38:04 Response to critiques and misinformation 40:31 The matrix vs. spirit guides in RV 42:54 Spiritual gifts vs. trained psychic ability 45:10 Elisha, the king's bedroom, and biblical examples 47:31 Warning against ego-driven pursuit of power 49:50 Brandon’s 3-part Jesus model: gifts, character, discipleship 50:58 Sensory deprivation and altered states 53:22 Worship, water, and spiritual receptivity 55:36 Practical resources to learn about RV 58:02 Upcoming classes and Christian saints in parapsychology 59:55 Final thoughts and where to find Matt online
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    1 hr and 1 min
  • E167 Rotten Truths: Whispers from the Process

    E167 Rotten Truths: Whispers from the Process
    Aug 4 2025

    #4 of Series: Something Deeper This Way Comes-

    In this jam-packed episode, Brandon and Lindsy welcome Dana of Rotting Jewels for a wild ride through some of the darkest corners of cult history, counterculture, and covert influence. From the shadowy origins of the Process Church to links with the Manson family, Sons of Sam, Scientology, and MKUltra, Dana pulls back the curtain on networks most folks don’t even know exist. They discuss infiltration into churches, animal rights fronts, and even Hollywood. With mafia connections, occult rituals, psychological warfare, and government psyops all woven in—this one’s got everything but the kitchen sink. Good luck sleeping tonight.

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    Timestamps:
    00:09 Cults, psyops, and tangled truths
    02:32 How Dana got into studying the Process Church
    04:49 Ed Sanders’ early work and importance
    07:10 Scientology’s violent policies and Michael Carr
    09:31 Game of the Gods and cult indoctrination
    11:03 How secrecy works in ritual networks
    13:22 NYPD investigator stories and ritual crimes
    15:36 Serial killers, mind control, and network overlap
    17:44 John Douglas, behavioral profiling, and coverups
    20:04 Snuff films, pornography, and organized crime
    22:19 Cult funding, real estate, and government psyops
    24:45 Naval intelligence, Scientology, and spook connections
    26:58 MKUltra, psychedelics, and John Potash’s research
    29:14 Dana’s personal backlash from Scientology
    31:32 Origins and myths of the Process Church
    33:33 Legal documents, missionary cover, and Mexico exile
    35:51 Transition to the Foundation Faith and prison infiltration
    38:00 Satanic Temple and process theology overlap
    40:18 Netflix’s Sons of Sam and documentary distortion
    42:43 Franco’s The Deuce and sanitized narratives
    44:58 Evolution of the Process into "faith healing" movements
    47:18 High-level infiltration and transhumanist goals
    49:38 Sirhan Sirhan, Blavatsky Foundation, and media cover
    52:01 Jolly West, MKUltra labs, and blackmail operations
    54:18 Haight-Ashbury Clinic and human trafficking
    56:32 Children of God and New York AG’s findings
    58:44 Jonestown, tax exemption, and deprogramming psyops
    01:00:58 Best Friends Animal Society and Utah compound
    01:03:15 Temple activity, power usage, and secret research
    01:05:35 German Shepherd symbolism and Nazi ideology
    01:07:47 Nazi ideology and Scientology’s dark beliefs
    01:09:59 Mafia connections, drugs, and Manson links
    01:12:27 Propaganda documentaries and buried clues
    01:14:49 Berkowitz's silence, longnecks, and prison threats
    01:17:01 Mafia spiritual figures and recent Berkowitz interview
    01:19:30 New Netflix documentary and future crime pinning
    01:20:53 Role of motorcycle gangs in cult operations
    01:21:52 Why bikers were ideal tools for ritual work
    01:23:01 Rapid-fire Q&A with Dana
    01:24:12 Michael Thevis and mafia-porn connections
    01:26:20 Final thanks and how to follow Dana
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    1 hr and 28 mins
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