In Part 2 of our conversation, Ben Case and I move from frameworks to consequences. We revisit the 2017 Richard Spencer punch as a concrete case of “little” versus “big” violence, asking what deterrence, backlash, and dignity look like when an act becomes a meme and a cautionary tale at the same time.

Ben draws on his Muay Thai career to talk about fight training as a metaphor for political life: how normalizing adrenaline and pain helps you keep your head during arrests, how to tell hurt from injury, and why the ability to read an adversary in real time matters as much as strategy documents. We sit with responsibility: what communities owe each other when actions bring heat, how mutual aid and legal defense slot into any honest conversation about risk, and why some moments demand acting without guarantees simply to preserve human dignity.

In the closing segment, I unpack the Graham Platner morality play: a black box for the contemplation of masculinity, recklessness, red flags, trauma, accountability, marks of Cain, internet vs. public identities, and the status of trust in the spectacle.

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• (00:00:10) - Courage in Resistance
• (00:02:12) - Anti-Fascism, Part 2
• (00:06:53) - Richard Spencer Gets Punched
• (00:08:24) - Punishing Richard Spencer: The Consequences
• (00:14:48) - The Most Important Things That Ben Learned From Sport Fighting
• (00:16:53) - Fighting in the Ring
• (00:20:14) - Protesters Disrupt ICE Agents
• (00:22:56) - Fighting Sports for antifascist activists
• (00:28:13) - On human dignity
• (00:28:42) - The Culture of Contempt
• (00:33:18) - Meet the Maine Democrat Running for Congress on a Left Wing
• (00:44:19) - The Platner Spectacle
• (00:46:21) - The Social Brain