We want the thousands of hours we work over our lifetime to matter. But how do we make them truly significant? What can infuse our lives, our offices, and our world with meaning?

Today’s guest is the business leader and author Barry Rowan. He contends, “We don’t derive meaning from our work; we bring meaning to our work.” With stories from his life in high-ranking roles, he helps us go from being defined by what we do, to having our work become an expression of who we are.

This episode is drawn from an Online Conversation in 2026. You can view the transcript and other resources here

Go deeper into the issues discussed in this episode with these Trinity Forum Readings:

• Why Work Dorothy L. Sayers
• How Much Land Does a Man Need? Leo Tolstoy
• Brave New World Aldous Huxley
• Two Old Men Leo Tolstoy

The term “baptized imagination” has come to the fore of Christian discussion in recent years, and this recent episode considers what a baptized imagination can actually look like.

In the Christian tradition, baptism represents a journey of death and resurrection. In order for there to be a rebirth of truth, goodness, and beauty in us, what other imaginations must we leave behind? And what can bring about this change?

Our guides in this episode, Mia Chung and Malcolm Guite, are extraordinary. Mia is a concert pianist, now based at MIT where she leads the Octet Collaborative, a Christian study center. Malcolm is an acclaimed poet and Anglican priest based at Cambridge, and has begun to publish a multi-volume epic poem on the Arthurian legends–-you can find our episode with Malcolm on the first book of this epic at the link in the show notes.

This is the kind of conversation that our community of Trinity Forum Senior Fellows foster: cross-discipline discussion rooted in the Christian tradition.

This episode was recorded live at the 2025 gathering of the Trinity Forum Senior Fellows in Washington, DC, which was convened with the generous support of the John Templeton Foundation. Our moderator is Trinity Forum President Cherie Harder.

Go deeper into the topics discussed with these Trinity Forum Readings:

Spirit and Imagination by Samuel Taylor Coleridge (introduced by Malcolm Guite)
Letters from Vincent van Gogh
Four Quartets by T.S. Eliot
Into the Wasteland by Malcolm Guite
Painting as a Pastime by Winston Churchill

Take Up the Tale: Bringing the Epic Tradition Into Our Time with Malcolm Guite

We are subjected to the temptations of confusion, cynicism, and nihilism like never before. So many pressures, including new ones, seemingly by the day, push us in these directions. What formative things can we do to help ourselves and our society be a part of a hopeful story instead?

Two of our Trinity Forum Senior Fellows, psychiatrist Curt Thompson and columnist David French, come from different disciplines, but in this episode, they provide complementary insights into the hopeful practices of thought and action we're all looking for.

This episode was recorded live at the 2025 gathering of the Trinity Forum Senior Fellows in Washington, DC, which was convened with the generous support of the John Templeton Foundation. The moderator is Trinity Forum President Cherie Harder.

Go deeper into the topics discussed with these Trinity Forum Readings:

The Federalist Papers (with an introduction by David French)
The Purchase of a Soul by Victor Hugo
Politics, Morality, & Civility by Václav Havel
On Friendship by Marcus Tullius Cicero