In this episode of This Strange Land, Jason sits down with physiotherapist Robbie de Fleuriot to explore the profound connection between the body, trauma, and spiritual healing. Together they examine how pain, posture, and the nervous system carry our stories, why modern culture often disconnects us from embodiment, and how healing the body can become a pathway into deeper discipleship. A wide-ranging conversation on presence, trauma, theology of the body, and what it means to live integrated lives as followers of Jesus in an overstimulated world.

Guest Bio
Robbie de Fleuriot is a physiotherapist and the founder of Fort Physiotherapy in Fort Langley, British Columbia. He works with individuals to understand pain, injury, and healing through a whole-person lens, integrating the body’s story with emotional and relational experience. Robbie has a particular interest in trauma, embodiment, and how physical healing can support deeper presence and integration. He lives in the Lower Mainland with his wife and their three kids.

Timestamps
00:00 — A Fishing Moment That Exposed a Lack of Trust in the Body

02:16 — Choosing “Kindness” as a Word of the Year—and Missing the Point

05:05 — A Physiotherapy Session That Reawakened Trauma

06:20 — The Body Keeps the Score Becomes Personal

07:45 — Prayer, Sensation, and Following the Body’s Memory Trail

10:55 — Evangelizing the Body as a Pathway to Reality

12:30 — Trauma as Dissociation and the Body as Truth-Teller

16:50 — Injury as a Portal for Deeper Healing

18:45 — Salvation, Healing, and the Resurrection of the Body

22:00 — Why Bodies Heal Themselves—and What Clinicians Really Do

31:20 — Chronic Pain as an Invitation to Relationship

41:30 — Posture as an Emotional and Spiritual Expression

47:00 — Healing Requires Trust, Not Just Repair

53:45 — A Javelin Thrower, an Ankle Injury, and a Career Saved

01:06:45 — Presence as the Core Task of Ministry

01:10:45 — Matching Energy to Love Others Well

01:17:55 — Sugar, Performance, and Hidden Belief Systems

01:25:50 — Presence, Formation, and Spiritual Disciplines

01:33:55 — Becoming Yourself as a Vocation

01:39:15 — Health Is Not Holiness

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In this episode of This Strange Land, Jason sits down with Evangelical Pastor Jeremy Johnson of Village Church to explore why so many people—especially younger generations—are becoming hungry for transcendence and turning toward ancient expressions of faith. Together they examine the limits of modernism, the dangers of consumer-driven Christianity, and what the Catholic and Protestant traditions can learn from each other in recovering a deeper encounter with Christ. A thoughtful, honest ecumenical conversation about discipleship, culture, and the future of the Church.

Guest Bio

Jeremy Johnson is a Senior Pastor at Village Church based in Surrey British Columbia, with locations across Canada. He has spent time teaching and writing about theology and culture and has a specific interest in how theological anthropology intersects with digital technology and spaces. Jeremy studied theology at Regent College where he completed an MA and ThM and has been married to his wife Jennifer for twenty two years and they have two six year old identical twin boys.

Timestamps

00:00 — The Transcendent Center of the Church
00:32 — Welcome to This Strange Land
01:15 — Introducing Jeremy Johnson
01:41 — Why an Evangelical Is Speaking to Catholics
03:45 — From “Convince Me It’s True” to “Show Me It’s Real”
04:55 — The Cultural Shift Toward Transcendence
06:30 — Why Young People Are Turning to Catholicism
08:07 — Liturgy as an Encounter With the Transcendent
10:10 — Village Church: Modern Excellence Meets Mystery
12:28 — Using Modern Tools Without Losing Transcendence
14:26 — The Consumer Christian Problem
17:08 — Bad Questions and Reductionist Faith
21:06 — Wrestling With Faith vs. Control
24:13 — Defining Modernism and Its Limits
29:53 — Technology’s Agenda vs. the Church’s Mission
31:18 — The Mental Health Crisis as a Modernist Failure
35:34 — Post-Postmodernism and Emerging Worldviews
40:29 — Transcending Philosophies, Not Becoming Them
59:13 — “It’s God’s Work, Not Ours”
1:20:58 — Pope Leo and the Power of Transcendence

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In this episode of This Strange Land, Jason Simon and Jason Jensen dive deep into what real accompaniment looks like in today’s Church. They explore why traditional ministry metrics are no longer enough, how parishes can cultivate “accompaniment capacity,” and why curiosity, presence, and trust in the Holy Spirit are essential to walking with people far from faith. Together, they unpack the shift from program-driven ministry to people-driven mission — one authentic relationship at a time.

Guest Bio

Jason Simon is the President of the Evangelical Catholic, an organization dedicated to forming missionary disciples and equipping parishes, campuses, and dioceses for evangelization. Based in Madison, Wisconsin, Jason has spent decades helping Catholic leaders build cultures of accompaniment, discipleship, and mission. He and his wife, Grace, have been married for 27 years and are parents to six children.

Timestamps

00:00 – Introduction to the Episode
00:53 – Jason Simon Introduces Himself
02:00 – What Excites Jason About the Church Today
03:33 – The Changing Language of Evangelization
04:20 – The New Shift: Equipping the Laity
06:00 – Luis Shares His Parallel Conversion Story
09:00 – The Rise of “Accompaniment” as a Core Concept
10:50 – Introducing the Idea of Accompaniment Capacity
14:45 – Jason Reacts to Accompaniment Capacity
15:40 – A Powerful Example of Real Accompaniment
18:00 – “The Measure Is Love, Not Numbers”
19:45 – Mission Capacity vs. Accompaniment
23:00 – The Fear of Letting Go of Old Metrics
25:00 – Why Current Metrics Don’t Measure Evangelical Vibrancy
30:00 – How Leaders Should Track Actual Mission Stories
33:00 – Why Pastors Must Invest in the 5%
36:30 – The Limits of Programs Like Alpha
38:45 – Luis on the Truth Pastors Must Face
45:00 – What Qualitative Accompaniment Looks Like
47:00 – Curiosity as the Superpower of Accompaniment
50:00 – Compassionate Curiosity & Seeing People as God Sees Them
56:00 – How Being Seen Heals the Accompanier Too
01:00:00 – Why Apologetics Often Short-Circuits Accompaniment
01:05:30 – Identity, Shame Culture, and Evangelization Today
01:14:00 – Apprenticing Under Jesus as the Framework for Discipleship
01:20:00 – Hope + Radical Acceptance
01:33:00 – Helping People See Jesus as Personally Relevant
01:43:00 – Final Reflections on the Slow Work of Accompaniment

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