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Think Outside The Fence

Think Outside The Fence

By: Amy Hughes & Arron Nerbas
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The musings of a Canadian, regenerative cattle rancher and a British lass who is all about the cows. Aiming to inspire positive change in agriculture, we chat to guests from across the globe to find out how their mindset has enabled them to do things a little differently to the benefit of their lives, businesses, communities and the environment. In a rapidly changing agricultural industry, is it time to think outside the fence?2023 Nature & Ecology Science Social Sciences
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  • Beyond the Echo Chamber with Silas Hedley-Lawrence
    Sep 14 2025

    Silas is a farmer, coach, and consultant with hands-on experience in regenerative agriculture. He divides his time between the Cotswold Cattle Company, his co-owned food and farming venture, and Grass Fed Farmer, his agroecological coaching business. With a background rooted in both the UK and New Zealand, he champions lean, profitable farming systems that deliver on increasing biodiversity and soil health gains. Silas is also an Integrity Soils trained agroecological coach from the Yellowstone cohort.

    In this episode, we hear about...

    • A Tale of Two Systems: The stark contrast between subsidised UK farming and New Zealand's unsubsidised, business-focused approach.

    • The First Profit in 25 Years: How Silas’s "New Zealand way" of mob grazing and cutting inputs transformed the economics of a UK farm.

    • Direct-to-Consumer Deep Dive: The tough lessons learned from selling retail cuts and the strategic pivot to a burger-focused food brand.

    • From Gut Feeling to Hard Data: The journey from observing changes on the farm to participating in a four-year scientific research project on adaptive grazing.

    • Inside the Integrity Soils 'Create' Program: What it’s like to train with Nicole Masters in Yellowstone, blending deep soil science with crucial coaching and personal development skills.

    • The Power of Collaboration: The innovative model behind Cotswold Cattle Company, partnering with arable landowners to bring cattle back to the landscape.

    • Beyond the Labels: Why Silas is passionate about breaking down the barriers between regenerative and conventional farming to create real, large-scale impact.

    Have a look at what Silas is doing at

    https://www.grassfedfarmer.com

    https://www.cotswoldcattle.com

    Thanks, as always, to our sponsors - Manitoba Forage and Grassland Association and Covers & Co.

    www.mfga.net

    https://www.coversandco.ca

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    1 hr and 22 mins
  • From Soil to Sneaker - The Whole Cow Story with Andy Rumming
    Aug 22 2025

    Welcome to this episode of Think Outside the Fence, where we're joined by Andy Rumming, a visionary beef farmer from Wiltshire, England. Andy shares his incredible journey in modern agriculture, focusing on adding value in a regenerative and holistic way.

    Key Discussion Points:

    • Maximising Value per Animal: Discover how Andy prioritises getting more value from each animal rather than simply increasing herd size.
    • Finding Hidden Value: Andy reveals how he turns byproducts into profitable ventures, from bones to enriched mince, and how customer feedback drives innovation.
    • The "Bottom of the Food Chain" Mindset: A powerful discussion on why farmers should strive to be in control of their destiny rather than feeling like victims of market forces.
    • Family Business & Diversification: Learn how Andy navigates a multi-generational farm and successfully introduces new enterprises.
    • The Power of Mindset: Andy discusses the critical importance of physical and mental health in farming, emphasising continuous learning and even keeping a "lessons learned journal."
    • From Soil to Sneaker: Explore Andy's innovative approach to farm diversification, utilising every part of the animal from enriched mince and bone products to creating high-end leather goods and running "sneaker workshops" on the farm.
    • Building a Sustainable Business: Andy shares his strategies for smart growth, infrastructure development (including a new, efficient butchery), and managing customer relationships to ensure profitability and resilience.
    • Overcoming Challenges: Hear how Andy adapted his business to tackle issues like Bovine TB and the complexities of managing a multi-partner farm.

    Visit Andy's websites

    https://www.andyrummingsbeef.co.uk/

    https://www.farmsneaker.com/

    Thanks, as always, to our sponsors

    Manitoba Forage and Grassland Asocciation www.mfga.net

    Covers & Co. https://www.coversandco.ca/

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    1 hr and 40 mins
  • From Farm Gate to Future: Navigating Succession with Patti Durand
    Jul 4 2025

    In this episode, we chat to Patti Durand from Bright Track Consulting. Patti talks us through her background in agriculture, her work with farm families, and her transition to consulting and authorship with her book "The Future Leader - The Successor's Guide to Family Business Leadership," which focuses on empowering the successor generation in family businesses.

    We dig into Patti's experiences with communication challenges in families, the impact of legacy, and her methodology for working with families to improve communication and plan for succession.

    To learn more about Patti's book and get your copy, visit https://www.thefutureleader.ca/

    As always, thanks to our sponsors

    Manitoba Forage and Grassland Association https://www.mfga.net

    Covers & Co. https://www.coversandco.ca

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    1 hr and 32 mins
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