Two years ago I overheard a conversation at a local farmers' market about Clam Gardens.

Being a nosy podcast host, I eavesdropped, eventually inserted myself, and got some contact information.

Today I caught up with Ala̱g̱a̱mił Nicole Norris, of Halalt First Nation on what's now known as Vancouver Island in the Canadian province of British Columbia.

Nicole is a Shellfish Aquaculture Specialist, Intergovernmental Communicator, Cultural Support Worker; knowledge holder, and language preserver for the Hul’qumi’num.

She's also incredibly fun to talk to and not afraid to get deep and trippy from the beginning, as you will soon hear.

I had several shifts in understanding during our interview, especially around how we as humans relate to the other species around us, as well as how we relate to our ancestors and our descendants.

Let's jump in.

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In this episode I present what I learned from William Ury's The Third Side.

The basic idea is that our communities and societies are the most important element in developing an effective conflict management system, and that the essence of being effect is to exert peer pressure on resolving the conflict instead of taking the "side" of any of the parties.

Hence, the 3rd side...

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For the last few months I've been reflecting on How to Prevent a Civil War.

Here's why I think we need to act:
- It is in the avowed interests of multiple powerful actors -- both inside and outside of the US -- to foment widespread discord, confusion, and animosity.
- The logical conclusion of widespread discord, confusion, and animosity is civil war.
- The people working on this have lots of resources and effective technology (ie AI chatbots) at their disposal.

Basically, in absence of our concerted actions, things are going to get worse.

The most effective tool I have come to so far is conversation.

Honest, deep, vulnerable, heart-opening conversation.

This podcast is V1 of a model I'm playing with that I'd like to try out.

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