Episodes

  • TSL.P Labs 🧪: Legal Tech Wars, Client Data, and Your Law License: An AI-Powered Ethics Deep Dive ⚖️🤖

    TSL.P Labs 🧪: Legal Tech Wars, Client Data, and Your Law License: An AI-Powered Ethics Deep Dive ⚖️🤖
    Feb 6 2026
    📌 To Busy to Read This Week's Editorial? Join us for an AI-powered deep dive into the ethical challenges facing legal professionals in the age of generative AI. 🤖 In this Tech-Savvy Lawyer Page Labs Initiative episode, AI co-hosts walk through how high‑profile "legal tech wars" between practice‑management vendors and AI research startups can push your client data into the litigation spotlight and create real ethics exposure under ABA Model Rules 1.1, 1.6, and 5.3. We'll explore what happens when core platforms face federal lawsuits, why discovery and forensic audits can put confidential matters in front of third parties, and how API lockdowns, stalled product roadmaps, and forced sales can grind your practice operations to a halt. More importantly, you'll get a clear five‑step action plan—inventorying your tech stack, confirming data‑export rights, mapping backup providers, documenting diligence, and communicating with clients—that works even if you consider yourself "moderately tech‑savvy" at best. Whether you're a solo, a small‑firm practitioner, in‑house, or simply AI‑curious, this conversation will help you evaluate whether you are the supervisor of your legal tech—or its hostage. 🔐 In our conversation, we cover the following 00:00:00 – Setting the stage: Legal tech wars, "Godzilla vs. Kong," and why vendor lawsuits are not just Silicon Valley drama for spectators.00:01:00 – Introducing the Tech-Savvy Lawyer Page Labs Initiative and the use of AI-generated discussions to stress-test legal tech ethics in real-world scenarios.00:02:00 – Who's fighting and why it matters: Clio as the "nervous system" of many firms versus Alexi as the "brainy intern" of AI legal research.00:03:00 – The client data crossfire: How disputes over data access and training AI tools turn your routine practice data into high-stakes litigation evidence.00:04:00 – Allegations in the Clio–Alexi dispute, from improper data access to claims of anti-competitive gatekeeping of legal industry data.00:05:00 – Visualizing risk: Client files as sandcastles on a shelled beach and why this reframes vendor fights as ethics issues, not IT gossip.00:06:00 – ABA Model Rule 1.1 (Competence): What "technology competence" really entails and why ignorance of vendor instability is no longer defensible.00:07:00 – Continuity planning as competence: Injunctions, frozen servers, vendor shutdowns, and how missed deadlines can become malpractice.00:08:00 – ABA Model Rule 1.6 (Confidentiality): The "danger zone" of treating the cloud like a bank vault and misunderstanding who really holds the key.00:09:00 – Discovery risk explained: Forensic audits, third‑party access, protective orders that fail, and the cascading impact on client secrets.00:10:00 – Data‑export rights as your "escape hatch": Why "usable formats" (CSV, PDF) matter more than bare contractual promises.00:11:00 – Practical homework: Testing whether you can actually export your case list today, not during a crisis.00:12:00 – ABA Model Rule 5.3 (Supervision): Treating software vendors like non‑lawyer assistants you actively supervise rather than passive utilities.00:13:00 – Asking better questions: Uptime, security posture, and whether your vendor is using your data in its own defense.00:14:00 – Operational friction: Rising subscription costs, API lockdowns, broken integrations, and the return of manual copy‑pasting.00:15:00 – Vaporware and stalled product roadmaps: How litigation diverts engineering resources away from features you are counting on.00:16:00 – Forced sales and 30‑day shutdown notices: Data‑migration nightmares under pressure and why waiting is the riskiest strategy.00:17:00 – The five‑step moderate‑tech action plan: Inventory dependencies, review contracts, map contingencies, document diligence, and communicate with nuance.00:18:00 – Turning risk management into a client‑facing strength and part of your value story in pitches and ongoing relationships.00:19:00 – Reframing legal tech tools as members of your legal team rather than invisible utilities.00:20:00 – "Supervisor or hostage?": The closing challenge to check your contracts, your data‑export rights, and your practical ability to "fire" a vendor. Resources Mentioned in the episode ABA Model Rule 1.1 – Competence (Technology Competence Comment) – https://www.americanbar.org/groups/professional_responsibility/publications/model_rules_of_professional_conduct/rule_1_1_competence/ABA Model Rule 1.6 – Confidentiality of Information – https://www.americanbar.org/groups/professional_responsibility/publications/model_rules_of_professional_conduct/rule_1_6_confidentiality_of_information/ABA Model Rule 5.3 – Responsibilities Regarding Nonlawyer Assistance – https://www.americanbar.org/groups/professional_responsibility/publications/model_rules_of_professional_conduct/rule_5_3_responsibilities_regarding_nonlawyer_assistance/...
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    21 mins
  • 🎙️ Ep. #130: Taming Client Data Security – Nick Martin's Proven Tech Strategies for Law Firms 🚀

    🎙️ Ep. #130: Taming Client Data Security – Nick Martin's Proven Tech Strategies for Law Firms 🚀
    Feb 3 2026
    Our next guest is Nick Martin, CEO of FileScience. He shares expert insights on stabilizing law firm operations with smart backups and automation. Join us to discover practical, easy-to-implement ways to protect your data from outages and errors, so your clients' information stays safe, secure, and accessible when you need it most. Listen in with Nick Martin and me as we discuss the following three questions and more! 💡 When a firm is drowning in document chaos, what are the first three specific workflows to digitize or automate to stabilize operations?Beyond just losing documents, what are the three specific silent killers of document hygiene that lawyers ignore?How do lawyers solve the top three friction points of digital collaboration: version conflicts, insecure sharing methods, and the loss of institutional knowledge buried inside files? In our conversation, we cover the following 📊 00:00 – Guest intro and Nick's tech setup (MacBook Pro, iPad, iPhone 15, Bang & Olufsen speaker) 🔊00:30 – Q1: Digitizing workflows – unification of memory, forever undo button, retention 🛡️04:00 – Backups for iManage, NetDocuments, Clio, FileVine; air-gapped copies 📁06:00 – Microsoft 365 outage resilience with FileScience ☁️08:00 – Retention periods (5-7 years by state/practice); NY lawful order policy ⚖️10:00 – Q2: Silent killers – file degradation, wrong versions, insider threats 🕵️13:00 – Q3: Solving friction – immutable timelines, encryption (Purview, CBC), institutional knowledge preservation 🔒15:00 – End-to-end encryption details; where to find Nick Resources 🔗 Connect with Nick Martin 🤝 FileScience website: https://filescience.ioNick Martin LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicholasmmartinFileScience LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/filescienceFileScience Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/filescience Mentioned in the episode 📚 Microsoft 365 outage (recent North America impact): https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2026/01/22/microsoft-outage-service-down/88305485007/ Hardware mentioned in the conversation 💻 Bang & Olufsen Beosound Balance (360° omnidirectional speaker): https://www.bang-olufsen.com/en/us/speakers/beosound-balanceiPad: https://www.apple.com/ipadiPhone 15: https://www.apple.com/iphoneMacBook Pro 16-inch: https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro Software & Cloud Services mentioned in the conversation ☁️ AWS, Azure, Google Cloud (underlying providers): https://aws.amazon.com, https://azure.microsoft.com, https://cloud.google.comClio: https://www.clio.comFileVine: https://www.filevine.comGoogle Workspace: https://workspace.google.comiManage: https://www.imanage.comMicrosoft 365 (Outlook, Purview encryption, CBC): https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365NetDocuments: https://www.netdocuments.com[filescience]Parallels (VMs): https://www.parallels.com
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    17 mins
  • 🎙️ TSL.P Labs Bonus: Google AI Discussion: Everyday Tech, Extraordinary Evidence: Smartphones, Dash Cams, and Wearables as Silent Witnesses in Your Cases ⚖️📱

    🎙️ TSL.P Labs Bonus: Google AI Discussion: Everyday Tech, Extraordinary Evidence: Smartphones, Dash Cams, and Wearables as Silent Witnesses in Your Cases ⚖️📱
    Jan 30 2026
    Join us for an AI-powered deep dive into the ethical challenges facing legal professionals in the age of generative AI. 🤖 In this Tech-Savvy Lawyer.Page Labs episode, our Google AI hosts unpack our January 26, 2026, editorial and discuss how everyday devices—smartphones, dash cams, wearables, and connected cars—are becoming "silent witnesses" that can make or break your next case, while walking carefully through ABA Model Rules on competence, candor, privacy, and preservation of digital evidence. In our conversation, we cover the following: 00:00 – Welcome to The Tech-Savvy Lawyer.Page Labs Initiative and this week's "Everyday Tech, Extraordinary Evidence" AI roundtable 🧪00:30 – Why classic "surprise witness" courtroom drama is giving way to always-on digital witnesses 🎭01:15 – Introducing the concept of smartphones, dash cams, and wearables as objective "silent witnesses" in litigation 📱02:00 – Overview of Michael D.J. Eisenberg's editorial "Everyday Tech, Extraordinary Evidence" and his mission to bridge tech and courtroom practice 📰[03:00 – Case study setup: the Alex Preddy shooting in Minneapolis and the clash between official reports and digital evidence ⚖️04:00 – How bystander smartphone video reframed the legal narrative in the Preddy matter and dismantled "brandished a weapon" claims 🎥05:00 – From "pressing play" to full video synchronization: building a unified timeline from multiple cameras to audit police reports 🧩06:00 – Using frame-by-frame analysis to test loaded terms like "lunging," "aggressive resistance," and "brandishing" against what the pixels actually show 🔍07:00 – Moving beyond what we see: introducing "quiet evidence" such as GPS logs, telemetry, and sensor data as litigation tools 📡08:00 – GPS data for location, duration, and speed: turning "he was charging" into a measurable movement profile in protest and road-rage cases 🚶‍♂️🚗09:00 – Layering GPS from phones with vehicle telematics to create a multi-source reconstruction that is hard to impeach in court 📊10:00 – Dash cams as 360-degree witnesses: solving blind spots of human perception and single-angle video 🛞11:00 – Why exterior audio from dash cams—shouts, commands, crowd noise—can be crucial to proving state of mind and mens rea 🔊12:00 – Wearables as a body-wide sensor network: heart rate, sleep, and step count as quantitative proof of pain, fear, and trauma ⌚13:00 – Using longitudinal wearable data to support claims of emotional distress or sleep disruption in personal injury and civil-rights litigation 😴14:00 – Heart-rate spikes and movement logs at the moment of an encounter as corroboration of fear or immobility in use-of-force matters15:00 – Why none of this evidence exists in your case file unless you know to ask for it at intake 🗂️16:00 – Updating intake: adding questions about smartwatches, location services, doorbell cameras, dash cams, and connected cars to your client questionnaires 📝17:00 – Data preservation as an emergency task: deletion cycles, cloud overwrites, and using TROs to stop digital spoliation 🚨18:00 – Turning raw logs into compelling visuals: maps, synced clips, and timelines that juries can understand without sacrificing accuracy 🗺️19:00 – Ethics spotlight: ABA Model Rule 1.1 competence and Comment 8—why "I'm not a tech person" is now an ethical problem, not an excuse 📚20:00 – Candor to the tribunal and the line between strong advocacy and fraud when editing or excerpting digital evidence ⚠️21:00 – Respecting third-party privacy under Rule 4.4: when you must blur faces, redact audio, or limit collateral exposure of bystanders 🧩22:00 – Advising clients not to delete texts, videos, or logs and explaining spoliation risks under Rule 3.4 ⚖️23:00 – The uranium analogy: digital tools as powerful but dangerous if used without adequate ethical "containment" ☢️24:00 – Philosophical closing: will juries someday trust heart-rate logs more than tears on the witness stand, and what does that mean for human testimony? 🤔25:00 – Closing remarks and invitation to explore the full editorial, show notes, and resources on The Tech-Savvy Lawyer.Page 🌐 If you enjoyed this episode, please like, comment, subscribe, and share!
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    18 mins
  • 🎙️ Ep. #129, Why Lawyers Should Podcast in the Age of AI: Live Roundtable from Podfest 2026 🎙️⚖️

    🎙️ Ep. #129, Why Lawyers Should Podcast in the Age of AI: Live Roundtable from Podfest 2026 🎙️⚖️
    Jan 20 2026
    In this special episode, recorded live from Podfest 2026 in Orlando, FL at the Renaissance Marriott Hotel near SeaWorld, I was able to gather several attendees who are in the legal world—lawyers and legal industry marketers—to talk about why lawyers should podcast and more! 🎙️ Our roundtable features Dennis "DM" Meador (Legal Podcast Network), Louis Goodman (Love Thy Lawyer), Robert Ingalls (Lawpods), Wendi Wittner (The Writing Guru), and Elizabeth Gearhart (Passage to Profit / Gearhart Law), each bringing deep experience in podcasting, legal marketing, and personal branding for lawyers. We discuss practical, no-fluff insights about how lawyers can use podcasting to build authority, strengthen SEO, show up in large language models (LLMs) like ChatGPT, and connect more authentically with clients and referral sources. Whether you are tech-curious, tech-comfortable, or completely new to podcasting, this episode will help you decide if starting a podcast makes strategic sense for your practice or business. QUESTIONS WE DISCUSS 🎯 Join Dennis, Louis, Robert, Wendi, Elizabeth, and me as we discuss the following three questions and more! Why should lawyers be podcasting in 2026 and beyond, especially with Gen Z and Gen Alpha getting so much of their trusted information from podcasts and social platforms?What is one of the first concrete steps a lawyer should take if they are seriously considering launching a podcast of their own?What is one of the biggest mistakes lawyers should watch out for when launching a podcast, and how can they avoid becoming a "zombie podcast" that dies after a few episodes? 🧟‍♂️ Additional themes we explore include: How podcasting acts as an "electronic resume" and trust-building tool for lawyers.How podcasts can drive SEO, get you discovered in LLMs like ChatGPT, Google Gemini, Perplexity, and Claude, and generate traffic to your law firm website.Why your podcast does not always need to be "about the law" to be effective for your legal brand.How to balance authenticity (including salty language) with your professional brand and ethics rules. TIME-STAMPED EPISODE GUIDE ⏱️ In our conversation, we cover the following: 00:00 – Welcome & guest introductions Live from Podfest 2026: intros from Dennis "DM" Meador (Legal Podcast Network), Louis Goodman (Love Thy Lawyer), Robert Ingalls (Lawpods), Wendi Wittner (The Writing Guru), and Elizabeth Gearhart (Passage to Profit / Gearhart Law).02:00 – Why should lawyers be podcasting?Gen Z and Gen Alpha treat podcasts as a top trusted media source. 📲Podcasting vs TikTok for lawyers who don't want to dance but still want reach.Podcast as "electronic resume" and branding vehicle for lawyers and judges. 04:30 – Is podcasting right for every lawyer?Robert on why not every lawyer should podcast, and why goals matter.How a podcast helps potential clients decide if you are "their" lawyer—or not. 06:30 – Personality, language, and fitThe Tampa PI lawyer who refuses to bleep swear words to attract the right clients and repel the wrong ones. 🤬Why authenticity can be a powerful qualification tool, not a liability. 08:00 – Podcasting as a marketing engineTurning a 30–60 minute recording into video clips, written content, and evergreen assets.How podcast content keeps working for you long after the recording session. 09:30 – Personal branding and storytelling for lawyersWendi on using podcasts to develop a personal brand, tell your story, and highlight your "superpower" as a lawyer.Why sharing your career pivots and non-traditional path resonates deeply with listeners. 12:00 – Getting discovered in ChatGPT and other LLMsElizabeth on using a podcast and transcripts to improve visibility in ChatGPT, Google Gemini, Perplexity, and Claude. 🤖How regular podcasting and transcript optimization sustained and improved hits from LLMs to Gearhart Law's website. 15:30 – Future-proofing and "language-based internet"DM explains why we're moving from a page-based to a language-based internet and why early podcast adopters will win—similar to early website and SEO adopters.Podcasting as both "future-proofing" and "present-proofing" your practice. 18:00 – Hobby vs business podcastLouis on starting his podcast as a social hobby and discovering the SEO and networking upside.How a niche local legal podcast can drive referrals and reputation even without direct monetization. 21:00 – How personal is too personal?Robert's own experience evolving his podcast from estate planning to broader personal topics.Balancing sharing about yourself with focusing on the listener's problem (StoryBrand "guide vs hero" concept). 25:00 – Beyond law: topic flexibilityWhy your legal podcast can focus on tech, politics, entrepreneurship, or hobbies while still supporting your legal brand.Examples of lawyers podcasting about politics and broader societal issues to grow recognition. 28:30 – Helping lawyers find their storyWendi's process: ...
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    1 hr and 10 mins
  • 🎙️ Ep. #128: Building a Tech-Forward Law Firm: AI Intake, CRM Strategy, and Client Experience with Colleen Joyce!

    🎙️ Ep. #128: Building a Tech-Forward Law Firm: AI Intake, CRM Strategy, and Client Experience with Colleen Joyce!
    Jan 6 2026
    My next guest is Colleen Joyce, CEO of Lawyer.com, a company that connects over 1 million consumers monthly with qualified attorneys across the country. With nearly 20 years of experience transforming how law firms market themselves and manage their operations, Colleen has seen what works and what doesn't when it comes to legal technology adoption. 🚀 Join Colleen Joyce and me as we discuss the following three questions and more! What are the top three non-negotiable technologies? Beyond the essential lead generation that Lawyer.com provides, what specific CRM automations, financial analytics, or project management tools would you implement immediately to ensure a firm scales profitably rather than just chaotically?What are the top three specific intake bottlenecks that AI can now solve better than a human receptionist? Based on the data you're seeing from your new AI initiatives, which intake bottlenecks can AI now solve to allow attorneys to focus primarily on high-value legal work?What are the top three human touchpoints in the client lifecycle that a lawyer should never automate? From your experience overseeing millions of consumer connections, which touchpoints are crucial for building the trust and transparency that leads to long-term referrals? In our conversation, we cover the following: [00:00:00] Episode introduction and title read[00:01:00] Editor's note on audio quality[00:01:30] Welcoming Colleen Joyce to the podcast[00:01:45] Colleen's current tech setup: MacBook Pro, iPhone 16, iPad, and curved Dell monitor[00:02:00] Discussion about iPhone models and AppleCare benefits[00:04:00] MacBook Pro specifications and upgrade recommendations (Intel vs. M chip)[00:05:00] Benefits of curved monitors for productivity and focus[00:06:00] Question #1: Top three non-negotiable technologies for modern law firms[00:07:00] The importance of intake technology and CRM systems[00:07:30] Project management tools for team accountability[00:08:00] Budget-friendly options and freemium platforms for new lawyers[00:09:00] Question #2: AI intake bottlenecks that AI solves better than humans[00:10:00] The value of empathetic AI agents and information capture[00:11:00] Training AI agents for legal-specific scenarios and language[00:12:00] Consumer resistance to AI vs. human agents and the generational shift[00:13:00] Scheduling tools like Calendly and client resistance to automation[00:14:00] Legal profession's technology adoption over the past 3-5 years[00:15:00] The declining use of printers in modern legal practice[00:16:00] Question #3: Human touchpoints that should never be automated[00:17:00] The importance of relationship building during the client onboarding "courting period"[00:18:00] Using technology processes to screen potential clients for fit[00:19:00] Where to find Colleen Joyce and her weekly Fast Five newsletter[00:19:30] Closing remarks and next episode preview RESOURCES Connect with Colleen Joyce LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/colleenjoyce/Company Website: https://www.lawyer.comNewsletter: The Fast Five (published weekly on Tuesdays via LinkedIn) Mentioned in the Episode MacRumors.com - https://www.macrumors.com (Apple product buying guides and release cycles)The Fast Five Newsletter - Weekly newsletter covering AI trends and business growth strategies for law firmsCalendly - https://calendly.com (Scheduling automation tool) Hardware Mentioned in the Conversation MacBook Pro (17-inch with Intel chip) - https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/MacBook Pro with M4/M5 Chip - https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/iPhone 16 - https://www.apple.com/iphone-16/iPad - https://www.apple.com/ipad/Dell Curved Monitor (22-24 inch) - https://www.dell.com/monitorsHP Printer - https://www.hp.com/printersSit-Stand Desk - (Various manufacturers) Software & Cloud Services Mentioned in the Conversation Plaud (Audio Recording App) - https://www.plaud.aiiMessage - https://www.apple.com/messages/Slack - https://slack.comMonday.com - https://monday.com (Project management and team collaboration)ChatGPT - https://chat.openai.com (AI research and recommendations)Calendly - https://calendly.com (Appointment scheduling)AppleCare - https://www.apple.com/support/products/AI Intake Platforms (Various legal-specific platforms discussed generically)CRM Systems (Various customer relationship management platforms discussed generically)Case Management Systems (Various legal practice management platforms discussed generically)
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    20 mins
  • 🎙️Ep. 127: Mastering Legal Storytelling and AI Automation with Joshua Altman 🎙️⚖️

    🎙️Ep. 127: Mastering Legal Storytelling and AI Automation with Joshua Altman 🎙️⚖️
    Dec 23 2025
    OUR next guest is Joshua Altman, the Managing Director of Beltway.Media, a DC-based communications firm that specializes in helping brands cut through the noise. A former multimedia journalist for The Hill, Joshua spent several years covering high-stakes federal policy and election cycles from the front lines. Today, he translates that newsroom pace into strategy for professional services firms, startups, and federal agencies. He joins me to discuss why storytelling isn't just a marketing buzzword—it's a critical operating system for modern law practice. Join Joshua Altman and me as we discuss the following three questions and more! What are the top three technology tools or platforms you recommend that would help attorneys transform a single piece of thought leadership into multiple content formats across channels, and how can they use AI to accelerate this process without sacrificing their professional voice?What are the top three mistakes attorneys and law firms make when communicating during high-stakes situations—whether that's managing negative publicity, navigating a client crisis, or pitching to potential investors—and how can technology help them avoid these pitfalls while maintaining their ethical obligations?What are the top three metrics for their online marketing technology investments that attorneys should actually be tracking to demonstrate return on investment, and what affordable technology solutions would you recommend to help them capture and analyze this data? In our conversation, we cover the following: [00:00] Introduction to Joshua Altman and Beltway.Media.[01:06] Joshua's current secure tech stack: From Mac setups to encrypted communications.[03:52] Strategic content repurposing: Using AI as a tool, not a replacement for your voice.[05:30] The "Human in the Loop" necessity: Why lawyers must proofread AI content.[10:00] Tech Recommendation #1: using Abacus.AI and Root LLM for model routing.[11:00] Tech Recommendation #2: Automating workflows with Gumloop.[15:43] Tech Recommendation #3: The "Low Tech" solution of human editors.[16:47] Crisis Communications: Navigating the Court of Public Opinion vs. the Court of Law.[20:00] Using social listening tools for litigation support and witness tracking.[24:30] Metric #1: Analyzing Meaningful Engagement (comments vs. likes).[26:40] Metric #2: Understanding Impressions and network reach (1st vs. 2nd degree).[28:40] Metric #3: Tracking Clicks to validate interest and sales funnels.[31:15] How to connect with Joshua. RESOURCES: Connect with Joshua Altman Email: jaltman@beltway.mediaLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/joshuaaltmanWebsite: beltway.media Mentioned in the episode Beltway.Media - Joshua's communications firm.The Hill - Multimedia journalism background. Hardware mentioned in the conversation Apple iPad ProApple iPhone ProApple MacBook Pro Software & Cloud Services mentioned in the conversation Abacus.AI - AI platform mentioned for its "Root LLM" model routing feature.ChatGPT - AI language model.Claude - AI language model.Constant Contact - Email marketing platform.Gumloop - AI automation platform for newsletters and social listening.LinkedIn - Professional social networking.MailChimp - Email marketing platform.Proton Mail - Encrypted email service.Tresorit - End-to-end encrypted file sharing (secure Dropbox alternative).
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    33 mins
  • 🧪🎧 TSL Labs Bonus Podcast: Open vs. Closed AI — The Hidden Liability Trap in Your Firm ⚖️🤖

    🧪🎧 TSL Labs Bonus Podcast: Open vs. Closed AI — The Hidden Liability Trap in Your Firm ⚖️🤖
    Dec 19 2025
    Welcome to TSL Labs Podcast Experiment. 🧪🎧 In this special "Deep Dive" bonus episode, we strip away the hype surrounding Generative AI to expose a critical operational risk hiding in plain sight: the dangerous confusion between "Open" and "Closed" AI systems. Featuring an engaging discussion between our Google Notebook AI hosts, this episode unpacks the "Swiss Army Knife vs. Scalpel" analogy that every managing partner needs to understand. We explore why the "Green Light" tools you pay for are fundamentally different from the "Red Light" public models your staff might be using—and why treating them the same could trigger an immediate breach of ABA Model Rule 5.3. From the "hidden crisis" of AI embedded in Microsoft 365 to the non-negotiable duty to supervise, this is the essential briefing for protecting client confidentiality in the age of algorithms. In our conversation, we cover the following: [00:00] – Introduction: The hidden danger of AI in law firms. [01:00] – The "AI Gap": Why staff confuse efficiency with confidentiality. [02:00] – The Green Light Zone: Defining secure, "Closed" AI systems (The Scalpel). [03:45] – The Red Light Zone: Understanding "Open" Public LLMs (The Swiss Army Knife). [04:45] – "Feeding the Beast": How public queries actively train the model for everyone else. [05:45] – The Duty to Supervise: ABA Model Rules 5.3 and 1.1[8] implications. [07:00] – The Hidden Crisis: AI embedded in ubiquitous tools (Microsoft 365, Adobe, Zoom). [09:00] – The Training Gap: Why digital natives assume all prompt boxes are safe. [10:00] – Actionable Solutions: Auditing tools and the "Elevator vs. Private Room" analogy. [12:00] – Hallucinations: Vendor liability vs. Professional negligence. [14:00] – Conclusion: The final provocative thought on accidental breaches. RESOURCES Mentioned in the episode ABA Model Rule 5.3 (Responsibilities Regarding Nonlawyer Assistance): https://www.americanbar.org/groups/professional_responsibility/publications/model_rules_of_professional_conduct/rule_5_3_responsibilities_regarding_nonlawyer_assistant/ ABA Model Rule 1.1, Comment 8 (Technology Competence): https://www.americanbar.org/groups/professional_responsibility/publications/model_rules_of_professional_conduct/rule_1_1_competence/ and https://www.americanbar.org/groups/professional_responsibility/publications/model_rules_of_professional_conduct/rule_1_1_competence/comment_on_rule_1_1/#:~:text=of%20these%20Rules.-,Maintaining%20Competence,all%20continuing%20legal%20education%20requirements%20to%20which%20the%20lawyer%20is%20subject.,-Back%20to%20Rule Software & Cloud Services mentioned in the conversation Lexis+ AI (LexisNexis): https://www.lexisnexis.com/en-us/products/lexis-plus-ai.page Protégé (LegalMation/LexisNexis context): https://www.lexisnexis.com/en-us/products/lexis-plus-ai.page Westlaw Precision (Thomson Reuters): https://legal.thomsonreuters.com/en/products/westlaw-precision Co-Counsel (Casetext/Thomson Reuters): https://casetext.com/co-counsel Harvey AI: https://www.harvey.ai/ vLex Vincent AI: https://vlex.com/vincent-ai ChatGPT (OpenAI): https://chat.openai.com/ Perplexity AI: https://www.perplexity.ai/ Claude (Anthropic): https://claude.ai/ Microsoft 365 Copilot (Teams/Word): https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/enterprise/copilot Adobe Creative Cloud (AI features): https://www.adobe.com/ai/overview.html Zoom AI Companion: https://www.zoom.us/aihttps://www.zoom.com/en/products/ai-assistant/
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    16 mins
  • 🎙️ TSL LABs 🧪 Bonus: From Cyber Compliance to Cyber Dominance: What VA's AI Revolution Means for Government Cybersecurity, Legal Ethics, and ABA Model Rule Compliance!

    🎙️ TSL LABs 🧪 Bonus: From Cyber Compliance to Cyber Dominance: What VA's AI Revolution Means for Government Cybersecurity, Legal Ethics, and ABA Model Rule Compliance!
    Dec 12 2025
    In this TSL Labs bonus episode, we examine how the Department of Veterans Affairs is leading a historic transformation from traditional compliance frameworks to a dynamic, AI-driven approach called "cyber dominance." This conversation unpacks what this seismic shift means for legal professionals across all practice areas—from procurement and contract law to privacy, FOIA, and litigation. Whether you're advising government agencies, representing contractors, or handling cases where data security matters, this discussion provides essential insights into how continuous monitoring, zero trust architecture, and AI-driven threat detection are redefining professional competence under ABA Model Rule 1.1. 💻⚖️🤖 Join our AI hosts and me as we discuss the following three questions and more! How has federal cybersecurity evolved from the compliance era to the cyber dominance paradigm? 🔒What are the three technical pillars—continuous monitoring, zero trust architecture, and AI-driven detection—and how do they interconnect? 🛡️What professional liability and ethical obligations do lawyers now face under ABA Model Rule 1.1 regarding technology competence? ⚖️ In our conversation, we cover the following: [00:00:00] - Introduction: TSL Labs Bonus Podcast on VA's AI Revolution 🎯[00:01:00] - Introduction to Federal Cybersecurity: The End of the Compliance Era 📋[00:02:00] - Legal Implications and Professional Liability Under ABA Model Rules ⚖️[00:03:00] - From Compliance to Continuous Monitoring: Understanding the Static Security Model 🔄[00:04:00] - The False Comfort of Compliance-Only Approaches 🚨[00:05:00] - The Shift to Cyber Dominance: Three Integrated Technical Pillars 💪[00:06:00] - Zero Trust Architecture (ZTA) Explained: Verify Everything, Trust Nothing 🔐[00:07:00] - AI-Driven Detection and Legal Challenges: Professional Competence Under Model Rule 1.1 🤖[00:08:00] - The New Legal Questions: Real-Time Risk vs. Static Compliance 📊[00:09:00] - Evolving Compliance: From Paper Checks to Dynamic Evidence 📈[00:10:00] - Cybersecurity as Operational Discipline: DevSecOps and Security by Design 🔧[00:11:00] - Litigation Risks: Discovery, Red Teaming, and Continuous Monitoring Data ⚠️[00:12:00] - Cyber Governance with AI: Algorithmic Bias and Explainability 🧠[00:13:00] - Synthesis and Future Outlook: Law Must Lead, Not Chase Technology 🚀[00:14:00] - The Ultimate Question: Is Your Advice Ready for Real-Time Risk Management? 💡[00:15:00] - Conclusion and Resources 📚 Resources Mentioned in the Episode ABA Model Rule 1.1 - Competent Representation (including technology competence requirement) - https://www.americanbar.org/groups/professional_responsibility/publications/model_rules_of_professional_conduct/rule_1_1_competence/Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) Cybersecurity Initiative - https://www.va.gov/oit/cybersecurity/DevSecOps Pipelines - Security integration in software development - https://www.devsecops.org/FedRAMP (Federal Risk and Authorization Management Program) - https://www.fedramp.gov/FISMA (Federal Information Security Management Act) - https://www.cisa.gov/topics/cyber-threats-and-advisories/federal-information-security-modernization-actGoogle Notebook AI - AI discussion generation tool - https://notebooklm.google.com/HIPAA (Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act) - https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/index.htmlNIST Cybersecurity Framework - https://www.nist.gov/cyberframeworkRed Teaming - Ethical hacking and security testing methodology - https://www.cisa.gov/red-team-assessmentsZero Trust Architecture (ZTA) - Federal mandate for security verification - https://www.cisa.gov/zero-trust Software & Cloud Services Mentioned in the Conversation AI-Driven Detection Systems - Automated threat detection and response platformsAutomated Compliance Platforms - Dynamic evidence generation systemsContinuous Monitoring Systems - Real-time security assessment platformsDevSecOps Tools - Automated security testing in software development pipelinesFirewalls - Network security hardware devicesGoogle Notebook AI - https://notebooklm.google.com/Penetration Testing Software - Security vulnerability assessment toolsZero Trust Architecture (ZTA) Solutions - Identity and access verification systems
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