With our one-year anniversary, we are dropping one of the most popular episodes from last year! The Space in Between as a podcast and framework for daily living is about having the courage to stand in the tension between opposing views, where real growth, connection and innovation happen. In a world that often pressures us to pick a side, this podcast explores what it means to stay present, curious, and open in the face of complexity. It’s a psychic, emotional and mental space that invites deep listening, humility, and the willingness to hold multiple truths at once. While it can be uncomfortable, it’s also where creativity thrives and where more humane, effective leadership is born. The goal is to create spaces — in life, work, and society — where nuance is welcomed and transformative ideas can take root.

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Today’s episode tackles the sweeping shifts in U.S. immigration policy—tightened legal immigration, mass deportation efforts, and the rollback of existing due process protections for legal residents and undocumented workers—while modeling how to debate fiercely held views without dehumanizing one another. Joining me is Maggie Mitchell Salem, a returning guest and one of the country’s leading immigration experts. Maggie is known for her candid, nonpartisan approach and she brings clear-eyed insight on what’s changed, what hasn’t, and how we can have sensible immigration policy. Leigh and Maggie explore how we can bridge divides by creating spaces for good-faith dialogue, separate fact from spin, name trade-offs, and still hold fast to shared American values including dignity, safety, kindness, and the rule of law.

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In this episode, we explore one of the most complex and emotionally charged dimensions of modern health and well-being: health insurance.. Premiums rise, benefits are confusing to understand, and many of us have stories of great frustration with the system. At the same time, those who have insurance know—often from personal experience—the critical role that it plays in our daily lives. Debates about health insurance can also be deeply polarizing, yet this is precisely why we need to make time to listen, learn and look for creative ways to improve the system. My guest, Jamie Williams, brings deep industry knowledge from her years as a well respected executive in the sector. She is also a steady voice of clarity, helping us explore how we got where we are today, what isn’t working well, what is, and how to bridge divides that keep us apart.

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