In this episode, John Ladley and Mark Cooper conclude their conversation with Tony Mazzarella. They discuss whether hiring a Chief Data Officer will "fix" data issues (hint: it won't), and look at governance as a social and cultural change initiative, not just a data catalog or glossary project. Tony also answers the "two questions" and plays the Famous Game Show.

As always, if you have a suggestion for an artifact to explore in Archedataology, a verse or two for the Data Poetry Slam, or question in 256-characters, write us.

Be sure to visit DATAVERSITY where you can use discount code ROCK15 to get 15% off your first purchase!!

• DATAVERSITY Training Center
• Live Classes
• Applied Data Governance Certification | DATAVERSITY

Chapters:

00:00 – Open & Introduction; 04:26 – Monologue; 06:37 – Tony Mazzarella Part 2; 32:43 – Dispatches from Rock Bottom; 34:59 – Audio Data Rorschach Test; 36:22 – 8-Bit Consultants; 37:52 – Close

In this episode, John Ladley and Mark Cooper conclude their conversation with Tony Mazzarella. They discuss whether hiring a Chief Data Officer will "fix" data issues (hint: it won't), and look at governance as a social and cultural change initiative, not just a data catalog or glossary project. Tony also answers the "two questions" and plays the Famous Game Show.

As always, if you have a suggestion for an artifact to explore in Archedataology, a verse or two for the Data Poetry Slam, or question in 256-characters, write us.

Be sure to visit DATAVERSITY where you can use discount code ROCK15 to get 15% off your first purchase!!

• DATAVERSITY Training Center
• Live Classes
• Applied Data Governance Certification | DATAVERSITY

Chapters:

00:00 – Open & Introduction; 04:26 – Monologue; 06:37 – Tony Mazzarella Part 2; 32:43 – Dispatches from Rock Bottom; 34:59 – Audio Data Rorschach Test; 36:22 – 8-Bit Consultants; 37:52 – Close

John Ladley and Mark Cooper welcome Tony Mazzarella to Rock Bottom! He just completed a Ph.D. focused on Data Governance, reframing it not as a static control layer but as a dynamic system that connects technology, people, and real-world outcomes. He'll explain all that, and much more, in this episode and the next.

We also have a new Archedataology artifact, Data Poetry Slam, and advice from the 8-Bit Consultants. As always, if you have a suggestion for an artifact to explore, a poem to share, or question in 256-characters to answer, write us.

Be sure to visit DATAVERSITY where you can use discount code ROCK15 to get 15% off your first purchase!!

• DATAVERSITY Training Center
• Live Classes
• Applied Data Governance Certification | DATAVERSITY

Chapters:

00:00 – Open & Introduction; 03:25 – Monologue; 05:36 – Tony Mazzarella Part 1; 33:09 – Data Poetry Slam; 34:13 – Dispatches from Rock Bottom; 36:19 – The 8-Bit Consultants; 37:40 – Recap & Close