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The Resilient Pastor

The Resilient Pastor

By: Barna Group
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 Join pastors Glenn Packiam, Rich Villodas and Sharon Hodde Miller as they invite leaders to think out loud together about the challenges and opportunities of leading a church in a rapidly changing world. In each episode, they will have a conversation about church leadership and the challenges pastors are facing. Then, they’ll share a conversation with a pastor, church leader, thinker or theologian about the health of the pastor, the state of the church and what it looks like to love well and lead faithfully.© 2025 The Resilient Pastor Christianity Spirituality
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  • 63 | Jenni Catron on Leading and Sustaining a Healthy Staff Culture

    63 | Jenni Catron on Leading and Sustaining a Healthy Staff Culture
    Nov 13 2025

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    In this episode, Sharon sits down with leadership coach Jenni Catron (founder of the 4Sight Group) to discuss what it takes to cultivate and sustain a thriving church staff culture. Together, they unpack how trust, clarity, and intentional systems help teams flourish, while reminding leaders that every role in the church is mission critical. Jenni offers practical wisdom for building trust through character and competency, creating healthy feedback rhythms, and stewarding the sacred responsibility of leading others well.

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    • Text BARNA to 55123 to get your free Mission-Based Budgeting guide from BELAY, helping pastors and churches thrive for over 15 years with step-by-step tools to build a budget that fuels your ministry’s mission.
    • Watch this episode on Barna’s YouTube Channel.
    • View all Resilient Pastor podcast episodes on our podcast page.
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    1 hr and 5 mins
  • 62 | The Surprising Shift in Church Attendance – with David Kinnaman & Ashley LaLonde

    62 | The Surprising Shift in Church Attendance – with David Kinnaman & Ashley LaLonde
    Oct 31 2025

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    Barna’s newest research reveals a stunning reversal: for the first time in decades, men are attending church more than women. Host Rich Villodas sits down with David Kinnaman and Ashley LaLonde from Barna to unpack what’s driving this shift and what it means for pastors and leaders. From purity culture to politics, Gen Z to single moms, this conversation offers both empathy and practical insight for churches navigating today’s changing spiritual landscape.

    Episode Links

    • Text BARNA to 55123 to get your free Mission-Based Budgeting guide from BELAY, helping pastors and churches thrive for over 15 years with step-by-step tools to build a budget that fuels your ministry’s mission.
    • Watch this episode on Barna’s YouTube Channel.
    • View all Resilient Pastor podcast episodes on our podcast page.
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    1 hr and 2 mins
  • 61 | Pastoring in Polarized Times

    61 | Pastoring in Polarized Times
    Oct 16 2025

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    In this episode of The Resilient Pastor Podcast, Glenn Packiam, Rich Villodas, and Sharon Hodde Miller discuss how pastors can lead with wisdom and calm in polarized times. Drawing from Barna research and their own pastoral experiences, they explore what it means to be a non-anxious presence, when to speak (and when to stay silent), and how to shepherd a politically diverse congregation with humility, prayer, and conviction.


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    • Free Resource from Our Partner, BELAY
      For over 15 years, BELAY has helped pastors and churches thrive. They’re offering a free download of Mission-Based Budgeting—a step-by-step guide to building a budget that fuels your ministry’s mission.

    Get your copy: Text BARNA to 55123.

    • Watch this episode on Barna’s YouTube Channel.
    • View all Resilient Pastor podcast episodes on our podcast page.
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    42 mins
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