Patterns are all around us, and meter doesn’t have to be scary--even with its mysterious little slash marks reminiscent of gaping wounds. In part one of this two-part conversation, Katie and Tim talk with Susan Spear, Brian O’Sullivan, Chelsea McClellan, and Christiana Doucette about how English verse actually moves—from the big drumbeat of alliterative verse to the sneakier pleasures of iambs, speech stress, and scansion. Susan Spear and David Rothman’s book Learning the Secrets of English Verse: The Keys to the Treasure Chest is featured.

At the table:

Katie Dozier

Timothy Green

Susan Spear

Brian O’Sullivan

Christiana Doucette

Chelsea McClellan

In this episode, we're once again joined by ONE ART: A Journal of Poetry's editor, Mark Danowsky to talk about how Katie and Mark began curating the yearly haiku anthology. We continue sharing some of the great poems curated in this years' anthology.

At the Table:

Katie Dozier

Timothy Green

Mark Danowsky

In this episode, we're joined by ONE ART: A Journal of Poetry's editor, Mark Danowsky to talk about how Katie and Mark began curating the yearly haiku anthology. We share some of the great poems curated in this years' anthology.

At the Table:

Katie Dozier

Timothy Green

Mark Danowsky

It's been a while since our last duel, so we were primed to come out swinging for this episode, which pits Volume 57.1 of Modern Haiku up against Poetry magazine's March 2026 issue. How will the short poems stack up against the longer ones? Tune in to find out who reigns victorious!

At the Table: Katie Dozier & Timothy Green

Episode 134 finds us joining Rhina Espaillat at her kitchen table, along with Pedro Poidevin. After enjoying lunch Rhina prepared, she talks about verse feels like a dance to her. Along the way, Rhina reads from For Instance, bringing wit, grace, and the kind of effortless music that makes you want to pull up a chair and stay awhile.

At the Table (Rhina's!):

Katie Dozier

Timothy Green

Rhina P. Espaillat

Pedro Poitevin

Part two of this mini-series on songwriting continues backstage at the House of Blues, only a few hours before Frank Turner's concert. This episode further explores metaphor and we finally get to hear Frank's poem!

At the Table:

Katie Dozier

Timothy Green

Frank Turner

"Live from the House of Blues" was not the way we ever thought we'd begin an episode of our poetry podcast, but thanks to our special guest Frank Turner, it became true with this episode. What followed backstage was a chance to explore songwriting as it relates to poetry, and even moreso, what makes art itself art? And have you heard the rumor that Frank wrote a poem?

At the Table:

Katie Dozier

Timothy Green

Frank Turner

In this episode, we pick up where we left off, exploring "negative space," with Pedro Poitevin, who finishes his poem "Between Us."

At the Table:

Katie Dozier

Timothy Green

Pedro Poitevin

Brian O'Sullivan

Dick Westheimer

Joe Barca