In this contemplative and heart-opening conversation, I sit down with Hunter to explore the paradoxes of spiritual awakening, the practice of becoming nobody, and what it means to truly be present in a world that constantly tells us to do more.

Hunter shares his journey from a 10-year hip-hop career driven by external validation to discovering A Course in Miracles and stepping into a path of radical non-doing. Drawing inspiration from Ram Dass and other wisdom traditions, we explore the idea that separation from God is impossible, how suffering can be grace, and how taking things personally often reveals our identification with the character rather than the whole stage.

I also share pieces of my own journey — from basketball and conditional love to the ongoing practice of knowing myself and staying fully human while walking a spiritual path.

Together, we navigate the tension between accepting that everything is perfect while still engaging with a world that appears to be full of suffering.

In this episode we explore:

• the difference between being and doing• why happiness isn’t found in external things• the metaphor of reincarnation as a baton race toward reunion with God• learning to see the love behind all words and actions• the paradox of awakening: nothing to do, and yet we still show up• Ram Dass, A Course in Miracles, and the path of becoming nobody

This conversation is for anyone questioning their relationship with productivity, seeking deeper meaning beyond worldly pursuits, or curious about what it means to rest in the awareness that we are not just this body, this person, or these thoughts.