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The Pastor in the Middle

The Pastor in the Middle

By: Fred Shackelford Matt Crawford
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 The Pastor in the Middle is a podcast for pastors seeking to think through ministry issues with grace and nuance. Fred Shackelford and Matt Crawford are both pastor in the Memphis area, Fred at Ellendale Baptist Church and Matt at Trinity Baptist Church. They often feel like they are in the middle, stuck between extreme positions on both sides. Can we find a balanced approach? That’s the goal of “Pastor in the Middle,” our new podcast.© 2026 Trinity Baptist Church Christianity Spirituality
Episodes
  • PITM Episode 104: Using AI in Ministry, with Dr. Brian Carmichael

    PITM Episode 104: Using AI in Ministry, with Dr. Brian Carmichael
    Nov 26 2025

    Fred and Matt welcome Dr. Brian Carmichael back to the podcast. In this episode, they discuss the use of AI (artificial intelligence) in pastoral ministry.
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    54 mins
  • PITM Episode 103: Missions and the Local Church, with Dr. David Bledsoe

    PITM Episode 103: Missions and the Local Church, with Dr. David Bledsoe
    Oct 31 2025

    Fred and Matt interview their friend, David Bledsoe, on how the local church can better serve the cause of fulfilling the Great Commission. David and his wife Laurie are missionaries with the International Mission Board.


    [We apologize for the audio quality on this episode. We had an issue with our main recording device and had to rely on the audio from our video recording.]
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    1 hr and 13 mins
  • PITM Episode 102: Hiring Staff

    PITM Episode 102: Hiring Staff
    Sep 30 2025

    Fred and Matt discuss the process of hiring church staff - especially associate ministerial staff.
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    57 mins
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