https://page2pod.com - In this landmark 100th episode of the Page 2 Podcast, Rand Fishkin returns to reflect on life after Moz, the liberation of leaving venture capital behind, and his journey with SparkToro. He opens up about the recent Google API leaks, the real impact of AI and LLMs in marketing, and how the digital landscape is evolving toward a zero-click future. With transparency, humor, and loads of insight, Rand dives deep into audience research, entrepreneurship, and what still excites (and frustrates) him in search marketing.

Whether you're a digital marketer, entrepreneur, or SEO nerd, this episode is packed with actionable advice and real talk from one of the industry's most authentic voices.

🔍 In This Episode:
🎯 Rand explains the emotional toll and freedom of leaving Moz and VC pressures
🔍 Behind the scenes of SparkToro’s clickstream-powered insights
📁 The real story behind the Google search API leak and its validation
🔄 Why the SEO influencer space feels stale—and what might change
🧠 Rand's take on AI: useful tools vs. overhyped tech
📊 How SparkToro integrates LLMs to improve audience targeting
🧪 The importance of testing and data-driven marketing experiments
🧑‍🍳 A surprising story about ultrasonic knives and finding product-market fit
🛒 Smart Q4 e-commerce tips for brands both big and small
🌐 Why your website still matters—but so does zero-click marketing
🔮 Rand's predictions for SparkToro, AlertMouse, and the future of search

From philosophical shifts in business to the power of podcasts in training AI models, this episode is a masterclass in modern marketing.

📚 Resources Mentioned
• Rand Fishkin on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/randfishkin/
• SparkToro: https://sparktoro.com
• SnackBar Studio: Rand's game dev studio - https://snackbarstudio.com
• AlertMouse: Rand's media monitoring tool - https://alertmouse.com/
• Seattle Ultrasonics: Knife startup mentioned - https://seattleultrasonics.com/
• Google Leak: https://sparktoro.com/blog/an-anonymous-source-shared-thousands-of-leaked-google-search-api-documents-with-me-everyone-in-seo-should-see-them/
• IMEC Lab: https://sparktoro.com/blog/imec-lab/

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https://page2pod.com - In this episode, Jon Clark and Joe DeVita engage with Metehan Yesilyurt to explore the evolving landscape of SEO in the age of AI. They discuss the transition from traditional SEO metrics to new paradigms influenced by AI technologies, including the concept of Rank Fusion and the importance of brand visibility.

The conversation delves into practical strategies for optimizing content for AI search engines, the role of platforms like YouTube, and the future of e-commerce with AI integration. The episode concludes with predictions for the dominance of AI search engines by 2027.

Metehan dives deep into the seismic shifts in how search engines are evolving, including how visibility works in Large Language Models, the mechanics of Reciprocal Rank Fusion (RRF), and why the classic SEO metric of “rank” is rapidly becoming outdated.

From prompt analysis and AI-driven content strategy to platform-specific publishing cadences and the surprising power of YouTube in LLMs, this episode is a must-listen for digital marketers and SEOs who want to stay ahead of the curve.

💡 In This Episode (🧠):
• Why Metehan left traditional SEO for AI-driven discovery
• The founding story and mission behind AEO Vision
• How LLMs like ChatGPT and Perplexity “rank” content differently
• What Reciprocal Rank Fusion (RRF) is and how it impacts visibility
• Why brand mentions matter more than backlinks in AI search
• The role of schema, structured content, and semantic chunking
• Why you shouldn’t optimize solely for LLMs (and how it hurts SEO)
• How YouTube is a powerful but underrated channel for AI visibility
• Prompt analysis: what real user questions reveal about content strategy
• Predictions on who will dominate AI search by 2027

If you're looking to understand the next wave of search and how to optimize for it, this episode will arm you with the knowledge you need.

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💬 What are you doing to optimize for AI and LLM search? Drop your thoughts in the comments below!

🔗 Mentioned in the Episode:
• Follow Metehan on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/metehanyesilyurt/
• AEO Vision: https://aeovision.ai
• AI Share Buttons: https://metehan.ai/blog/citemet-ai-share-buttons-growth-hack-for-llms/
• Reciprocal Rank Fusion (RRF)
👉 https://plg.uwaterloo.ca/~gvcormac/cormacksigir09-rrf.pdf
👉 https://metehan.ai/blog/chatgpt-is-using-reciprocal-rank-fusion-rrf/

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https://page2pod.com - What happens when search engines evolve into answer engines and AI determines what your audience sees? In this episode, Jon Clark and Joe DeVita talk with Amos Ductan, SVP of Search at Razorfish, about the radical shift from traditional search to AI-powered discovery platforms like ChatGPT, Perplexity, and Google's AI mode.

Amos dives into how Razorfish is merging SEO and paid media strategies, preparing for a future where prompts replace keywords, and "just showing up" in AI results becomes the new baseline for success. He also introduces the concept of "The Correction"—how AI search is recalibrating both consumer behavior and the KPIs marketers have relied on for decades.

Whether you're leading an agency or managing digital campaigns, this conversation is packed with tactical insights on AI visibility, feed optimization, and how to future-proof your marketing strategy.

🤖 In This Episode
• What an "answer engine" is—and how it changes everything
• Why AI-driven search reduces the number of clicks and reshapes attribution
• How Razorfish is redefining paid + organic search teams
• The concept of “The Correction” in AI search and marketing metrics
• How to audit your brand's AI visibility and clean your product feeds
• Strategies for preparing shopping feeds for AI commerce (e.g., Perplexity & ChatGPT)
• Why traditional conversion metrics may be obsolete in an AI-first world
• How "AI literacy" is becoming an essential skill for marketers
• The tools and prompts Razorfish uses to track brand presence in AI models
• Voice search: where it stands now and what’s coming next

Unlock a clear understanding of where search marketing is headed—and how to stay ahead.

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💬 Comment below: How is your brand adapting to the rise of answer engines?

📚 Mentioned Resources & Tools
• Amos Ductan on Linkedin (https://www.linkedin.com/in/amos-ductan-b516bb6/)
• The AI Search Playbook Webinar (https://events.publicisgroupe.com/razorfish-ai-search-playbook/rzfli)
• The New Era of AI Powered Search (https://www.razorfish.com/articles/perspectives/the-new-era-of-ai-powered-search/)
• How Agentic AI Will Reshape Search (https://www.razorfish.com/articles/perspectives/how-agentic-ai-will-reshape-search/)

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