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The Marketing 32 Show

The Marketing 32 Show

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This is the Marketing 32 Show, a show that connects with leading dentists, influencers, and experts to explore strategies and innovations that help dental practices grow and thrive.The Marketing 32 Show (c) 2024 Economics Leadership Management & Leadership Marketing Marketing & Sales
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  • "I'm Happy to Discuss Our Fees": The 3-Word Phrase That Transforms Price Objections Into Consultations
    Feb 3 2026
    What happens when a secondary education teacher who "didn't do good science" accidentally gets recruited into dentistry and spends decades discovering that most practices are losing patients before they ever get scheduled? Debra Engelhardt-Nash has witnessed the damage firsthand: front desk staff creating so many "gates and barriers" that potential patients would need to "bring in a magic show and a dog that does tricks" just to book an appointment. As an internationally recognized consultant, past president of both the Academy for Private Dental Practice and the Academy of Dental Management Consultants, and recipient of the Gordon Christensen Top Lecturer Award (plus short-listed for the 2026 Denobie Award), Debra has spent her career teaching one foundational truth: build the relationship first, and the transaction will follow. In this game-changing episode, she reveals why saying "we don't quote fees over the phone" instantly kills your conversion, how a $60,000 case can turn into three $22,000 payments with one simple question, and why telling patients what they "need" is sabotaging case acceptance. If your team is still running through checklists asking for social security numbers before finding out what inspired the patient to call, this conversation will revolutionize your entire approach. Debra Engelhardt-Nash never planned to enter dentistry. With a degree in secondary education and a geology science credit (because she didn't want to cut into a frog), she was substitute teaching in the Pacific Northwest when bond issues failed and liberal arts teachers weren't getting hired. Her dentist recruited her, and despite her protests about not being good at science, he told her something profound: "It is a science, but before the science comes the people. And you have got some really innate people skills." After having her take a Myers-Briggs assessment, he trained her as a certified dental assistant in Washington state. Debra eventually moved to the front desk—the role she truly loved—and from there managed a unique four-man "solo group" (four independent practices under one roof). One of those doctors told her prophetically: "Someday you're going to outgrow my practice." While attending continuing education meetings, she was recruited from an audience by Pride Institute to become their Pacific Northwest consultant for Washington, Oregon, Northern California, and Idaho. In 1985, Debra left Pride (along with about nine other consultants in a six-month period) to start her own independent company. By 1987, she and other consultants founded the Academy of Dental Management Consultants because while they wanted independence, they also craved collaboration—asking each other "Has this happened to you? What did you do in this situation?" This was back when consultants were generalists handling everything from OSHA to HIPAA to technology, not the specialists we see today. What drove Debra then and drives her now is making a difference in the lives of people she touches—whether through her volunteer work against human trafficking or her dental consulting work helping dentists serve patients better. She's passionate about creating the win-win-win: client wins, she wins because her client wins, the patient wins, and the team wins. But she's also witnessed devastating marketing failures, like practices spending $55,000 on loss-leader $49 cleaning promotions when they're actually fee-for-service cosmetic practices—completely incongruent strategies that attract patients who don't stay. The program "Excuse Me, Doctor, Your Team is Showing" was born from a nightmare Debra witnessed in a Pacific Northwest office where the receptionist put up so many gates, barriers, rules, requirements, and restrictions that patients would practically need to bring a magic show and a dog doing tricks just to qualify for an appointment. The kicker: "After you do all this, call me back and I'll make that appointment." When the doctor complained about not getting new patients, Debra had to explain they were getting them—but losing them at the phone because of how they were being treated. The foundational problem: teams run through checklists asking about social security numbers and sexually transmitted diseases before ever finding out what inspired the patient to call. Debra's approach transforms this: get permission first ("May I ask you a few questions?"), then ask the magic opener ("What inspired you to call today?"). The patient who wants teeth cleaned needs a different conversation than the one wanting veneers or seeking insurance acceptance. When patients ask about fees, most offices kill the conversion with "We can't quote fees over the phone"—but Debra's three-word game-changer is "I'm happy to discuss our fees with you." Before quoting, ask why they chose you, then qualify: "If you're looking for the dentist with the lowest fee possible, we may not be the dentist you choose because that's not typically why ...
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    33 mins
  • "I'm Just the Dental Assistant": Why the Industry's Most Undervalued Role Holds the Key to Patient Trust
    Jan 13 2026
    What happens when a sports publicist loses his job and accidentally stumbles into dental journalism—then spends 25 years becoming the industry's most vocal advocate for dental assistants? Kevin Henry's journey from covering small college athletes to editing Dental Economics and launching the Dental Assistant Nation podcast reveals a career built on championing the underdog. With more than a quarter-century in dental publishing and experience as editor-in-chief for DrBicuspid.com, Kevin has witnessed firsthand the critical gap: dental assistants are the ones patients turn to when the doctor leaves the room to ask "Do I really need that crown?"—yet they're still introducing themselves with "I'm just the dental assistant." In this powerful conversation, Kevin exposes the two biggest pain points facing assistants (lack of pay and lack of respect), reveals why Colorado doesn't even have a state dental assistant association, and introduces a revolutionary "Jeffersonian Dinner" format coming to the Rocky Mountain Dental Convention. Kevin Henry never planned to spend his career in dentistry. As a born-and-raised Tulsa sports publicist working with small college athletes in 1999, he loved his job—until his boss announced the company was relocating to Kansas City. With a three-month-old daughter who was the only grandchild, Kevin knew his parents would kill him if he moved their granddaughter away. So he left the sports world and, needing a job, landed the managing editor position at Dental Economics. Publisher Lyle Hoyt told him something that would shape his entire career: "We can teach you dentistry. I want you to be a good journalist." Over 13 years at Dental Economics, Kevin learned the industry inside and out. He only left when they refused to let him work remotely so he could move to Colorado with his now-wife Dayna—fortunately, Dental Products Report said yes to remote work, and he found both Colorado and the love of his life. While at Dental Economics, Kevin noticed a critical gap: dentists had their publication, hygienists had the powerhouse RDH magazine, but dental assistants had nothing. He launched the Dental Assisting Digest e-newsletter reaching over 28,000 assistants monthly. In 2005, the Oregon Dental Assistant Association reached out asking him to speak at their meeting, noting there weren't many people focusing on assistants. Kevin hasn't stopped since—speaking at Chicago Midwinter, Hinman, and Rocky Mountain Dental Convention, hosting the Dental Assistant Nation podcast, and now introducing a revolutionary format at RMDC 2026. Inspired by Thomas Jefferson's dinner parties where eight people from different backgrounds answered one question each without interruption, Kevin is launching "Jeffersonian Dinners" for dental assistants. The opening question: "Are you more concerned today about your health, your career, or your relationships?" Connecticut and Florida state meetings are already adopting the format because assistants desperately need these peer learning opportunities. The two biggest challenges Kevin hears from assistants: lack of pay and lack of respect. He constantly encounters assistants who introduce themselves with "I'm just the dental assistant"—a devastating self-image problem compounded by the fact there's no national dental assistant association and states like Colorado don't even have state associations. Unlike hygienists who often work in teams, most assistants are solo in their practices with no peer support system. Practice management systems don't even have columns to track assistant financial contributions to the bottom line. Yet Kevin knows the critical truth: when doctors leave the room, patients turn to assistants and ask "Do I really need that crown?" Assistants close cases, drive acceptance conversations, and build the patient trust that determines whether treatment gets scheduled. Kevin's work with DISC personality assessments in practices reveals transformational moments—like the Oregon hygienist who pointed at her dentist after the assessment and said "That's why you act that way!" Understanding these personality differences (Kevin is a quiet S married to Dayna's strong D) changes everything about team communication. His golden nugget: understand how valuable every team member is, embrace your differences, and stop the eye rolls. Because at the end of the day, we're all just people on this marble floating through space together. This episode is brought to you by Marketing 32—the only dental marketing team with a performance guarantee where if you're not growing, you don't pay. It's that simple. Marketing 32 truly invests in every practice they work with, proving measurable value and impact through new patient acquisition and getting existing patients back into the chair. If you need help with growth or marketing, reach out at marketing32.com to schedule a quick conversation and see if you're a great fit to work together.
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    25 mins
  • Stop Drowning in Post-It Notes: How a Bank Bankruptcy Led to Transforming Dental Practice Technology
    Dec 9 2025

    What happens when a 20-year-old college student loses her banking internship to bankruptcy and ends up stringing wire through ceilings to install computers in dental offices? For Dayna Johnson, that unexpected detour in 1989 launched a 35-year journey that would revolutionize how dental practices use technology. From working with DOS-based software and paper charts to becoming a certified Dentrix trainer who has delivered 187 podcasts and transformed countless practices, Dayna has witnessed—and driven—the evolution of dental practice management. In this eye-opening episode, she reveals why 60% of patient appointments are booked after hours (and what you're missing without AI receptionists), how redundant software is quietly draining your budget and efficiency, and why that "we're booked six months out" excuse is actually a scheduling problem, not a marketing victory. If your team is still using three-ring binders for unscheduled treatment or hunting for notes in 12 different places, this conversation will change everything.

    Dayna Johnson's path to becoming a dental technology expert began with an unexpected crisis. As a 20-year-old college student in Washington state pursuing marketing and business, she was six months into a paid internship at a local bank when it filed bankruptcy. Suddenly jobless with a mortgage and bills to pay, she went to work for her uncle Dave's computer company that installed computers, networks, and software into medical and dental offices. This was 1989-1990, and Dayna found herself literally building computers and stringing wire through ceilings and floors with screwdrivers. Her introduction to dentistry came through the technology side, and she quickly discovered she had a knack for it. After working at two dental practices in Washington, she encountered a practice in 1994 that felt like stepping back in time—only two computers (one in the doctor's office, one at the front desk), DOS-based software requiring colon backslash commands, and file cabinets full of paper charts.

    Dayna made it her mission to upgrade that practice with modern computers and software, but the doctor resisted for nearly a decade. Finally in 2003, he agreed to upgrade and put Dayna in charge of leading the transition. They purchased Dentrix, but Dayna struggled enormously due to complete lack of training, onboarding, and resources—something that simply wasn't available at that time. Determined to master the software, she became a certified Dentrix trainer in 2005, originally just wanting to be an expert in her own office rather than planning to train others. But what transpired changed her career trajectory entirely: she started the Dentrix Office Manager blog, began speaking from stages, and trained offices on transitioning from paper charts to electronic health records. By 2014, she left the dental practice entirely to focus full-time on software onboarding, workflow optimization, live events, and speaking—a career that has now produced 187 podcasts and transformed countless practices nationwide.

    The challenges Dayna sees today mirror her own early struggles but are amplified by massive industry turnover and staffing shortages. New team members—often from outside dentistry—are told to "just start doing it" with no real onboarding process, leading to persistent use of manual systems like Post-It notes everywhere, three-ring binders for patients wanting earlier appointments, and notebooks for unscheduled treatment follow-up. Practices are also bleeding money on redundant third-party software that overlaps functionality, forcing teams to log into multiple dashboards when their PMS could handle much of it. The data entry inconsistency creates legal vulnerabilities (the PMS is a healthcare record that must withstand audits and subpoenas) and breaks marketing attribution when notes are scattered across Dentrix's 12 different documentation locations. At the Greater New York Dental Meeting, Dayna witnessed AI's explosive integration into 60-70% of daily dental tasks—from insurance verification that contacts carriers and syncs benefits automatically, to AI receptionists capturing the 60%+ of appointments booked after hours, to five-star x-ray ratings that prevent claim payment failures, to transcription services that convert dictation into polished SOAP notes. Her golden nugget for office managers clinging to paper systems and manual appointment control: embrace automation and technology. And for practices claiming they're "booked six months out" so they don't need marketing—that's a scheduling problem requiring block scheduling for new patients, perio maintenance, and SRP appointments, not an excuse to stop telling the world what makes you different.

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