• 57: Forecasting the Future with Rachel Hatch
    Jun 30 2025

    Futurist and Berkeley Divinity at Yale alum Rachel Hatch (‘08) joins Brandon and Hannah for a conversation about how to look for signals of change within our own parishes and communities as we make thoughtful choices for the future. In this episode, Rachel encourages leaders to cultivate a practice of imagining possibilities and taking steps toward hope-filled futures, while still addressing the urgencies of the present.

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    59 mins
  • 56: Wonder and Salvation with Hannah Black
    Jun 2 2025

    Hannah has news, and you have new friends! Tune in to meet guest hosts Whitney and Misty as they join Brandon in interviewing Hannah for our season finale. Why is Gregory of Nyssa’s take on salvation so different from what Hannah heard in church growing up? Are there risks in the regular ways we talk about Christian salvation? How did feminist theology help her untangle all of this? How much can we know or talk about God? And why is wonder, an antidote to certainty, so important? Listen to find out.

    Hosts: Brandon Nappi, Whitney Kimball Coe, and Misty Krasawski

    Guest: Hannah Black

    Production: Goodchild Media

    Music: Wayfaring Stranger, Theodicy Jazz Collective

    Art: E. Landino

    Instagram: @theleadersway.podcast

    berkeleydivinity.yale.edu/podcast

    You can support our work at https://tinyurl.com/support-transforming-leaders

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    58 mins
  • 55: Flexible Leadership with Jeffrey Mello
    May 26 2025

    The penultimate episode of season 4 is here, and it's with someone we know you'll love, @bishopmello of @episcopal_ct!! Tune in to hear about how Jeff Mello's experience in social work impacts his ministry, how a posture of curiosity and willingness to fail are key, and at the very end, hear all about Bishop Jeff Mello as a person when we play our new favorite game: Holy Cow!

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    1 hr and 7 mins
  • 54: Queer Theology with Linn Tonstad
    May 19 2025

    Join co-hosts Brandon Nappi and Hannah Black in an engaging episode of The Leaders Way as they sit down with Linn Tonstad, Professor of Theology, Religion, and Sexuality at Yale Divinity School. In this episode, Tonstad shares her unique perspective on queer theology and how it relates to potential for social transformation. Perfect for Pride Month, this episode challenges us to envision a world with "a little less violence."

    Hosts: Brandon Nappi and Hannah Black

    Guest: Linn Tonstad

    Production: Goodchild Media

    Music: Wayfaring Stranger, Theodicy Jazz Collective

    Art: E. Landino

    Instagram: @theleadersway.podcast

    berkeleydivinity.yale.edu/podcast

    You can support our work at https://tinyurl.com/support-transforming-leaders

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    51 mins
  • 53: The Church's Future with Andrew McGowan
    May 12 2025

    Dean Andrew McGowan joins us to further unpack shifting dynamics, changing landscapes, and the future after addressing the topic at the Episcopal Parish Network (EPN) conference. McGowan describes his observations of Australian secularization and how he sees similar dynamics arising in the United States. We talk about why church attendance is changing, the difference between hope and optimism, and consumer capitalism's affect on church dynamics. After a rich conversation, we play our signature game, Holy Cow, and learn McGowan's opinion on THE best bread for the Eucharist.

    See the EPN talk here: https://youtu.be/5MJmTGvn6y4?si=HyfwtXe_nPI0Nmc5

    Hosts: Brandon Nappi and Hannah Black

    Guest: Andrew McGowan

    Production: Goodchild Media

    Music: Wayfaring Stranger, Theodicy Jazz Collective

    Art: E. Landino

    Instagram: @theleadersway.podcast

    berkeleydivinity.yale.edu/podcast

    You can support our work at https://tinyurl.com/support-transforming-leaders

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    1 hr and 1 min
  • 52: God Didn’t Make Us to Hate Us with Lizzie McManus-Dail
    May 5 2025

    THE Father Lizzie is back on The Leader's Way podcast, talking about her new devotional God Didn't Make Us to Hate Us. We talk about the alternative to "billboard Christianity" and how an expansive, inclusive God affects individual spirituality and corporate worship in church.

    Finally, the Golden Retriever Games are back, baby. Stay 'till the end for "Holy or Horror?"

    https://bookshop.org/contributors/lizzie-mcmanus-dail

    Hosts: Brandon Nappi and Hannah Black

    Guest: Lizzie McManus-Dail

    Production: Goodchild Media

    Music: Wayfaring Stranger, Theodicy Jazz Collective

    Art: E. Landino

    Instagram: @theleadersway.podcast

    berkeleydivinity.yale.edu/podcast

    You can support our work at https://tinyurl.com/support-transforming-leaders

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    1 hr and 3 mins
  • 51: Trust in Atonement with Teresa Morgan
    Apr 21 2025

    Yale Divinity School Professor Teresa Morgan shares her expertise about the Greek word “pistis,” often translated in the New Testament as “faith.” The conversation revolves around faith, trust, and faithfulness and touches on the importance of a nuanced understanding of atonement theology. Brandon challenges Morgan and Black to “Gregory or Gregory?” Tune in for an enlightening discussion that bridges the gap between ancient texts and modern faith.

    Hosts: Brandon Nappi and Hannah Black

    Guest: Teresa Morgan

    Production: Goodchild Media

    Music: Wayfaring Stranger, Theodicy Jazz Collective

    Art: E. Landino

    Instagram: @theleadersway.podcast berkeleydivinity.yale.edu/podcast

    You can support our work at https://tinyurl.com/support-transforming-leaders

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    57 mins
  • 50: Innovative Parish Ministry with the Threshold Center
    Apr 7 2025

    The Rev'd John Burruss (The Leader's Way ’23 Fellow) and the Rev'd Mary Bea Sullivan join hosts Hannah Black and Brandon Nappi to tell the story of the Threshold Center, a vibrant space designed to address loneliness and foster connection in Birmingham, Alabama. Born from a tragic event in the life of St. Stephen's Episcopal Church, the Threshold Center nurtures well-being and connection by engaging practices of the heart, body, and imagination through innovative programs like trauma-informed yoga, listening as an act of love, and peace through poetry. This episode offers rich insights into the power of collaboration, creativity, and radical hospitality.

    https://www.thethresholdcenter.org/

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    Hosts: Brandon Nappi and Hannah Black Guests: The Rev'd John Burruss and the Rev'd Mary Bea Sullivan

    Production: Goodchild Media

    Music: Wayfaring Stranger, Theodicy Jazz Collective

    Art: E. Landino

    Instagram: @theleadersway.podcast

    https://berkeleydivinity.yale.edu/podcast

    You can support our work at https://tinyurl.com/support-transforming-leaders

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    58 mins