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The Leader Learner Podcast

The Leader Learner Podcast

By: Theresa Destrebecq (formerly also with Vincent Musolino)
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The Leader Learner podcast is for readers and leaders of all kinds.

Rather than talk to authors about the professional development books that they have written, the Leader Learner podcast spotlights readers and delves into their process the book(s) that have had an impact on them and their work.

This podcast is brought to you by Theresa Destrebecq, founder of Emerge Book Circles.

Join me as I discuss books, learning, and leadership with the guests.

Read Deeper Not Faster.

© 2025 The Leader Learner Podcast
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Episodes
  • The Leadership Garden
    Oct 30 2025

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    TOPIC : If leadership training is dead, how do companies still develope leaders?

    Big Ideas:

    • Learning experiences can happen without training
    • Learning that happens in community can have a bigger impact
    • Learning happens in a spiral -- you have to come back to it again and in different ways.
    • Learning happens across multiple axis across time, not linearly
    • Leadership learning can happen below the surface before people can see it
    • Creating a non-threatening environment -- psychological safety
    • Put something in the community basket
    • There is no lever for learning - you can just pull and it emerges
    • Leadership as an emergent property, rather than something that can be directly developed
    • How does the hierarchical structure of training impeding leadership training?
    • Focus on the process of learning, rather than the delivering of content and information.
    • Practice versus training?
    • "Knowledge isn't wisdom. Wisdom in knowledge in action."
    • Give people a space to activate the information. Everyone sparks at different times.
    • Creating self-fulfilling frameworks that can be peer generated after wards
    • Some models can be reciprocated, but the experience may not be the same
    • Small moments of connected learning keeps the learning alive - the more exposure to the ideas, the more your Reticular Activation System is activated
    • How do we assess whether a learning experience is effective?
    • If leadership training is so great, why do we still have the same number of problems we have?
    • Does success always mean rising in an organization?
    • If everyone can be a leader, how do I choose the next leader?
    • Managing and leading aren't the same skill set.
    • Promoting people who aren't good at their jobs, but are still potential leaders.
    • Sometimes we are short-sighted about leadership development
    • Garden metaphor -- plant some seeds, nurture, see what grows, adapt based on what you see


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  • Episode #64 : Leadership Isn't a Checkbox
    Oct 15 2025

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    TOPIC : Is leadership training dead?

    BIG IDEAS:

    • creating a learning experience without training/teaching people
    • training gives people a chance to not take responsibility - they are following the training
    • people are happy after a training, but change long term is limited
    • attempt to get manager and HR involved in training, but it didn't work
    • clients/customers want training, but don't take the time to reflect on what they need
    • time is a barrier to implementation of oversight of training
    • Peter Principle -- people rise to the level of their competence
    • great individual contributors don't always make great leaders
    • leadership is nuanced and doesn't follow a checklist
    • training doesn't personalize the learning to where/who they are
    • provide the spark, get people more emotionally involved in the change
    • connecting the theory, to the emotions, to create the behavior change
    • leadership is the state of being a leader, not a skill
    • bringing the manager in was an attempt to reinforce the training
    • making leadership experiences voluntary versus obligatory
    • internally motivated learning is more impactful
    • letting go of agendas and objectives -- some structure, but give space for what arises from the participants
    • leadership can't be taught, but it can be developed
    • humans and leadership are too complex to be taught
    • leadership has an emotional component
    • getting stuck in what you're supposed to do, rather than reading the "room" and adapting to the situation in front of you
    • letting go of the idea of needing "tools" as a leader
    • internal motivation of being a leader


    BOOKS MENTIONED:

    • The Power of Moment, Chip and Dan Heath

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  • S04E09- Shake the Tree
    Feb 13 2025

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    💡 SPOTLIGHTED BOOK : Nice Girls Don't Get the Corner Office

    📚 GUEST READER : Valentina Tacchino

    💬 CONVERSATION HIGHLIGHTS:

    • the book is very portable -- you can dip in and out
    • how girls/women are educated to be "nice" and certain behavior were educated with not making the most for them in an office environment
    • when being too "nice" can prevent us from standing up for ourselves or voicing our opinions
    • student behaviors don't work in an office environment
    • the cultural conventions and unwritten rules in within a work environment
    • not wanting to confirm and "erase" yourself
    • the book not asking women to be like men, but does invite you to reflect on your behaviors in relation to what men do or don't do
    • make any book you read yours - don't follow it to the letter
    • retaining your own personality and consciousness into reading and applying the book
    • ask yourself what type of manager and leader you want to be
    • unwritten rules come with any organization or community - hours in the office, dress codes, etc.
    • many companies spell out the culture now, but at the time it wasn't like that
    • wearing clothes that match your personality along with the unwritten rules of the industry
    • sometimes you need to compromise on some things to make it easier for everyone
    • mentoring people without telling people what to do
    • having to change how I spoke to fit into the culture -- how you sound, how you project, when to participate, managing up, etc.
    • not saying yes just because someone is your boss
    • standing in your strength and in your values
    • life and death moments in your career
    • taking time and energy to find the way
    • when saying "no" can nourish a relationship, rather than end it
    • no is a powerful word in many contexts
    • getting curious about someone's "no"
    • personal gratification is what will keep us going
    • shaking the tree, but not uprooting the tree


    ℹ GUEST BIO AND LINKS:

    Valentina Tacchino leads a team focused on wealth management for international clients at LGT Wealth Management. She looks after UK resident, not living in the UK and clients moving to the UK.

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/valentina-tacchino-488b2a26/

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