In this episode of The In-Between, Evan sits down with Beth and Jeff McCord—bestselling authors and founders of Your Enneagram Coach—to unpack the powerful story behind one of the most influential faith-based coaching movements in the world.

After a devastating church transition left them questioning their purpose, the McCords found themselves in an unexpected season of rebuilding.

What began with financial uncertainty, part-time jobs, and late-night brainstorming sessions soon grew into a global platform serving millions.

They share openly about loss, marriage tension, risk, recovery, and the surprising ways God used their pain to prepare them for something new.

Takeaways :

👉 The church role that went sideways—and the sabbatical that forced a reset

👉 Beth’s entrepreneurial spark (platform skills, first Instagram posts, the scrappy first coach cohort)

👉 Jeff’s recovery & reframing season (counseling, ACOA, learning to learn-and-act)

👉 The catalytic moment: Ian Cron’s book hits and demand surges

👉 Why they launched Beth’s company (not under Jeff’s) to rewrite old patterns

👉 “Building while flying”: hiring help, customer support, and sustainable rhythms

👉 Redefining success beyond a church title—serving more people in new ways

👉 How their latest work (More Than Your Number) blends IFS with the Enneagram to navigate the inner world through transition
This Episode Is for You If…

• You’ve been through a ministry/job disruption and need a hopeful, practical blueprint
• You and your spouse are navigating new roles while building something together
• You’re curious how small experiments (and a lot of faithfulness) compound into a movement
• You want to see how Enneagram insight + recovery work shaped a resilient second act
• If you liked this video, please give it a thumbs up 👍, subscribe, and share it with your friends.

📝 Show Notes: https://itstheinbetween.com/episode31-beth-jeff-mccord/

In this episode of The In-Between, Evan sits down with Tracey Gee—leadership coach, consultant, and author of The Magic of Knowing What You Want—to explore how desire, faith, and small experiments create aligned momentum after a disruptive transition.

Tracey shares how a missed promotion shattered her sense of identity—and how a simple 40-day practice (doing one thing each day she genuinely wanted) helped her reconnect with God, recover her agency, and begin imagining a new future.

Takeaways:

👉 Why desire is an honest doorway to clarity (you can’t fake what brings you alive)

👉 The “question parking lot”: permission, pragmatic, competency, and capital questions—and when to use them

👉 The Authentic Alignment Pathway (Calibration, Expansion, Experimentation, Integration)

👉 Why you don’t think your way to clarity—you live your way into it

👉 How to engage disappointment so it moves you closer to what you want

👉 How faith and desire cooperate (not compete) in discernment

This Episode Is for You If…

• You’re a faith-based leader in transition—between seasons and craving aligned momentum
• You’re tired of autopilot and want a practical way to listen to God in your desires
• You keep getting stuck in “am I allowed / is it realistic / am I qualified / can I afford it?” loops
• You want right-sized experiments to build clarity this month

📝 Show Notes: https://itstheinbetween.com/episode30-tracey-gee/

In this episode of The In-Between, Evan sits down with Kristi Gaultiere—a licensed family therapist, co-founder of Soul Shepherding, and author of Deeply Loved—to explore how empathy plays a transformative role in emotional health, spiritual growth, and meaningful relationships.

With 30+ years of counseling and ministry experience, Kristi opens up about the emotional barriers leaders face during seasons of transition: self-judgment, shame, isolation, and the temptation to "be strong" by suppressing real emotions.

Drawing from her new book and personal experiences, Kristi shares how Jesus's empathy offers a healing presence for anyone navigating grief, uncertainty, or change.

This conversation is for anyone who’s felt emotionally disconnected, judged their own struggles, or longed for safe places of spiritual and emotional care.

Takeaways:👉 Why empathy is "oxygen for the soul"

👉 How childhood experiences shape our emotional responses in adulthood

👉 The difference between self-empathy and self-pity

👉 Why vulnerability is a gateway to intimacy, not weakness

👉 What Jesus's "in-between" years can teach us about waiting well

👉 How empathy from others can awaken hidden emotions and bring healing

👉 Why emotional awareness is a vital part of spiritual growth

👉 How empathy leads to transformation, not fragilization

👉 The "Four A's of Empathy" and how to practice them daily

This Episode Is for You If...

• You're in a season of transition and feel emotionally disoriented

• You’ve been told to "just be strong" or to ignore your emotions

• You secretly wonder if your feelings are signs of spiritual failure

• You desire deeper connection in relationships but feel stuck

• You want to experience Jesus's empathy in a personal and transformative way

📝 Show Notes: https://itstheinbetween.com/episode29-kristi-gualtiere/