Episodes

  • Paul Pethick - Power of Play
    May 7 2026
    The Power of Play: Creativity, Culture, and How Play Shapes Life

    Explore how play isn't just for kids—it's a fundamental, transformative force that influences creativity, innovation, and culture at every level. Join David and Paul Pethick as they delve into the science, philosophy, and practical applications of play, revealing how embracing play can revolutionize personal, professional, and societal outcomes.

    Main Topics:

    • Play as the foundational operating system of culture and civilization
    • The relationship between play, imagination, and creativity
    • Practical ways to integrate play into daily routines and work environments
    • The role of play in fostering innovation and social connection
    • Misconceptions about play being childish or trivial

    Key Insights:

    • Play extends beyond leisure to drive innovation, scientific discovery, and cultural evolution
    • Brian Eno endorses the book, highlighting the importance of play for adults and leaders
    • The "stick" as a primordial object symbolizes the limitless potential of imagination in play
    • Play involves a balance of pleasure, effort, and meaningful engagement
    • The "exploratory sense" in humans has built everything from tools to technology
    • Incorporating playful strategies—like alternative routes, improvisation, and whimsy—enhances creativity and vitality
    • Play can be mindful and serious, influencing everything from education to corporate strategy
    • Overcoming societal stereotypes about play's childishness can unlock innovation and well-being

    Resources & Links:

    • The Power of Play by Paul Pethick (https://powerofplay.shop/)
    • Brian Eno’s Oblique Strategies (https://stoney.sb.org/eno/oblique.html)
    • Homo Ludens by Johan Huizinga (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_Ludens)
    • The Strong National Museum of Play (https://www.museumofplay.org/)

    Connect with Paul:

    • https://paulpethick.com/

    Embrace play not just as recreation but as the fundamental operation system of culture, fostering creativity, innovation, and joy in everyday life.

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    38 mins
  • Andrew Orvedahl - Roleplaying Games
    Apr 30 2026

    This episode explores how comedian and game designer Andrew Orvedahl creates fun through role-playing games, discussing creativity, game design systems, and the joy of imaginative play, while highlighting how games provide escape, storytelling, and meaningful social experiences.

    Resources

    Occupied Hex (https://www.occupiedhex.com/)

    The Grawlix (https://thegrawlix.com/)

    Lasers+Feelings (https://johnharper.itch.io/lasers-feelings)

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    38 mins
  • Drew Davidson - Scholarship
    Apr 24 2026

    This episode explores how play shapes creativity, culture, and scholarship through Drew Davidson’s new publication Ludic Narrans. Drawing on 175 interviews with play makers, thinkers, producers and facilitators, it examines play as storytelling, social practice, and a vital force for innovation, connection, and reimagining how we live and work.

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    38 mins
  • Dan Hamann - Music
    Apr 17 2026

    Dan Hamann is songwriter, composer, performer, musical appreciator. His most recent project is Between the Notes: An Attunement Night. What is it, how does it work and will it be any fun? We’re about to find out.

    Show Summary

    David talks with musician Dan Hamann about why music is fun, exploring how listening, performing, and practicing create playful experiences. Through intimate live music listening sessions and stories from Hamman's COVID_era album Lumbering Grace, they examine music as emotional play, social connection, shared attention, and a uniquely time-based art.

    Resources

    Lumbering Grace on Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/album/1xxxQH2DNJ8dUD6h2f9MOz)

    Lawrence Welk Show

    (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mvj7IdRiOIU

    Lawrence Welk, Linger Awhile

    (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jduZltQnJPQ)

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    38 mins
  • What is Fun?
    Apr 12 2026

    What is fun? If fun is important, why do we talk about fun as if it gets in the way of serious work? Can you even define fun? These are some of the key questions we will explore in this background episode. The Fun Question: Answered

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    27 mins
  • James Lopez - Magic
    Apr 3 2026

    What makes magic fun? Join Denver-based magician, experience designer and immersive producer as we discuss the relationship (or not) between magic and the fine arts, how to enjoy magic more and talk about some of the best working magicians.

    https://jameslopezmagic.com/

    https://www.exposureprojectinc.org/

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    36 mins