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The Ethically Immoral Podcast

The Ethically Immoral Podcast

By: Hosted by: Mike Payne
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The Ethically Immoral Podcast is a program dedicated to long-form conversations with poets, spoken word artists, authors, and creatives who use language as a tool for truth-telling, healing, and resistance. Hosted by Mike Payne, the show travels beyond the typical interview to explore the personal histories, artistic philosophies, and cultural contexts that shape the voice of the Creatives we welcome.


It’s not just about poetry or performance — it’s about the people behind the pen. We talk about identity, healing, joy, frustration, and the journey of becoming. Some moments are deep, others are funny, but all of them are authentic. If you’re someone who values storytelling, vulnerability, and good conversation, this space was created and cultivated for you.

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Episodes
  • Volume Seven: Chapter Three - Our Conversation with Irina Moga
    Apr 26 2026

    In Volume Seven: Chapter Three of the program, we welcomed Writer, Author, and Poet Irina Moga. Her work has been nominated for the SFPA Rhysling Award and Best of the Net, and her collection Variations Without Palace was the 2022 winner of the Dina Sahyouni International Literary Prize. She’s the author of six collections, including her latest, Quantum, and is an active member of several literary organizations across Canada.

    In our conversation, Irina discusses her early creative beginnings—starting with a poetry group in high school that, in her words, “mercilessly” tore apart each other’s work. What could have discouraged a young writer instead became foundational, shaping her approach to revision, experimentation, and resilience. We talk about what it means to have your work challenged early, and how that kind of environment can either push you out—or pull you deeper in.

    We also spend time on one of the more fascinating parts of her journey: the transition from writing in Romanian to writing in English after immigrating to Canada. Rather than simply carrying over her voice, Irina made the intentional decision to rebuild it. We get into what that process looked like in real time—the frustrations, the disconnects, and what it took to stay committed to that evolution instead of retreating to what was familiar.

    Throughout the conversation, Irina shares how writing lives for her today—not just as a craft, but as a space. A space of silence, concentration, and layering, where language, culture, and personal experience intersect. We talk about poetry as both deconstruction and reconstruction—how it allows us to break reality apart and reassemble it into something that feels more true, more honest, and sometimes more bearable.

    Contact Irina:
    Website:
    irinamoga.com Instagram: @pictopoems

    Recorded Spoken Word Performances Featured Include:

    Taalam Acey – Affirmation for Black Men
    Instagram: @taalamacey Website: taalamacey.com

    Brandon Alexander Williams – Black Woman Studies
    Instagram: @brandonalexanderwilliams

    Anita D. – Colors
    Instagram: @anitadpoetry

    Alyesha Wise – Cannibal
    Instagram: @alyeshawise Website: alyeshawise.com

    Ciara Chantelle – Empty Cups
    Instagram: @ciarachantelle

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    1 hr and 49 mins
  • Volume Seven: Chapter Two - Our Conversation with Stephanie Bolster
    Mar 31 2026

    In Volume Seven: Chapter Two of the podcast, we welcomed Vancouver-born, Quebec-based Educator, Writer, Poet, and Author of the poetry collection Long Exposure, Stephanie Bolster.

    Stephanie is Professor of Creative Writing at Concordia University, earned her BFA and MFA from the University of British Columbia, and is the author of five poetry collections.

    In our conversation we discuss her creative beginnings—starting with early storytelling, a childhood desire to become an author, and the writers who helped define her path. She speaks on discovering poetry through Emily Dickinson, and later finding something deeper and more urgent in the work of Sylvia Plath—an influence that helped shift poetry from something she enjoyed to something she needed.

    We also spend time unpacking identity—what it meant to call herself a poet early on, before expectations and career entered the picture, and how that relationship to the word “poet” has evolved over time. That idea opens into a broader conversation about imagination, the role poetry plays in making sense of the world, and whether those two instincts—creation and understanding—work together or pull in different directions.

    We discuss Long Exposure, a project more than a decade in the making, and what it means to finally bring that work into the world. Stephanie reflects on her relationship with the collection, the time it took to come together, and how living with a manuscript for that long shapes both the work and the writer behind it.

    We close on process and balance: her writing routine, the importance of physical space and environment, and the ongoing challenge of making room for writing within the realities of teaching, family, and life. It’s a transparent look at the tension between knowing writing is essential and still having to negotiate time for it.

    Contact Stephanie:
    Website:
    stephaniebolster.com Instagram: @stephaniebolster0110

    Recorded Spoken Word Performances Featured Include:

    Shanelle Gabriel – Vanity
    Instagram: @shanellegabriel Website: shanellegabriel.com

    Matt Capone – Learned with Love
    Instagram: @matt__capone

    Gigi Bella – Slut
    Instagram: @ggbellag Website: gigibellapoetry.com

    Anyrah Shaveh – We Must Not Die Young
    Instagram: @iamshaveh Website: anyrahshaveh.com

    Moody Black – Eight Letters
    Instagram: @iammoodyblack Website: iammoodyblack.com

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    2 hrs and 12 mins
  • Volume Seven - Chapter One - Our Conversation with Ebony Stewart
    Mar 23 2026

    In Volume Seven: Chapter One of the Program, we welcome Houston, Texas–born and based Educator, Playwright, Actress, Writer, Author, and Performance Poet Ebony Stewart. She is the 2017 Woman of the World Slam Champion, a three-time Austin Neo Soul Slam Champion, a B. Iden Payne Award recipient, and the David Mark Cohen New Play Award winner. She is also the author of four books, including her latest poetry collection Wash, which was recently named an Honors Award winner by the Texas Institute of Letters.

    In our conversation, Ebony reflects on what that recognition for Wash actually means—not just as an acknowledgment of the work itself, but as an outside validation of her writing acumen. We talk about the evolution of her voice, the version of herself that shows up in this collection, and how periods of creative difficulty—graduate school where writing poetry became difficult—shaped the way she approaches the page now.

    We also spend time sitting with something a lot of artists tend to move past too quickly: accomplishment. With a résumé as extensive as hers, Ebony discusses how often she truly pauses to take it in.

    Ebony opens up about the leap into becoming a full-time creative—what it looked like before that transition, the grind of balancing teaching with constant travel and performance, and the moment she decided to bet on herself. From there, we get into confidence: what it’s made of, how authenticity, self-awareness, and emotional honesty factor into it, and how she’s learned to carry heavy things like grief without letting them define every room she walks into.

    Contact Ebony:
    Website:
    ebpoetry.com Instagram: @gullyprincess

    Recorded Spoken Word Performances Featured Include:

    Nayo Jones – We Will Not Ask
    Instagram: @nayojones Website: nayojones.com

    Jay Ward – Gentrification
    Instagram: @jayward2030

    Alysia Harris – Controlled Burn
    Instagram: @poppyinthewheat Website: alysiaharris.com

    Ebony Stewart: How We Forget (After Loyce Gayo)
    Ebony Stewart: Single

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    1 hr and 35 mins
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