In Volume Six: Chapter Eight of The Program, we sit down with Shreveport-born Writer, Poet, Essayist, and Author Destiny Birdsong,

In our conversation, we trace Destiny’s creative journey from her childhood love of storytelling to the spark that ignited her lifelong devotion to poetry. We talk about how her early awareness of difference shaped her imagination, and how writing became a way to transform both beauty and pain into art.

Destiny reflects on her university years, when writing full-time felt impractical, and how she eventually committed fully to the literary path. We explore the influence of Cave Canem, a transformative community for Black poets, and the pivotal advice from writer Chris Abani that pushed her toward a deeper honesty in her work—an honesty that shaped her acclaimed poetry collection Negotiations. She opens up about the vulnerability of writing for others versus writing for herself, and the revelations that came with seeing her first book in print a decade after completing her MFA.

We also dig into her award-winning debut novel Nobody’s Magic, a powerful triptych that follows the lives of three Black women with albinism in Shreveport, Louisiana. Destiny shares insights into character building, the emotional complexities of writing characters she loved—and even some she initially hated—and why she chose to tell three distinct but interconnected stories.

This is a thoughtful, vulnerable, and inspiring conversation with a Creative which I really enjoyed.

Contact Destiny:
Instagram: @bird_songoftheyear
Website: destinybirdsong.com

Recorded Spoken Word Performances Featured Include:

Ephraim Nehemiah – Inheritance of a Broken Home
Instagram: @ephraimnehemiah Website: ephraimnehemiah.com

Porsha O. – Trigger
Instagram: @porshaolayiwola Website: porshaolayiwola.com

William Evans – For My Wife Who Fell In Love With a Ship Buried at Sea
Instagram: @williamevanswrites Website: williamthe3rd.com

Destiny Birdsong – Killing White (working title)
Destiny Birdsong – Mythicana

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In Volume Six: Chapter Seven, we are joined by Vancouver-born poet, writer, educator, and editor Gregory Betts. A professor of English at Brock University and Literary Arts Residency Lead at the SETI Institute, Greg has authored or edited more than 25 books, including his most recent collaboration Muttertongue: What is Word In Utter Space, co-written with Lillian Allen and Gary Barwin.

In our conversation, we trace Greg’s creative journey—from his earliest poems being published without his knowledge, to discovering the power of poetry in community through a George Bowering book and an Al Purdy reading that changed how he saw writing. We talk about his commitment to literary communities, his take on experimental versus avant-garde writing, and why he believes the difference between the two matters.

Contact Gregory::
Website: gregorybetts.wordpress.com
Purchase Muttertongue: here

Recorded Spoken Word Performances Featured Include:

Ebony Stewart – Mental Health Barz
Instagram: @gulleyprincess Website: ebpoetry.com

Jus Marvin – My Depression
Instagram: @jusmarvinpoetry

Natasha Miller – The Difference Between a Girlfriend and a Woman
Instagram: @natashatmiller

Elizabeth Acevedo – Afro Latina
Instagram: @acevedowrites Website: acevedowrites.com

Asia Samson – As I Am
Instagram: @theasiaproject Website: theasiaproject.com

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In Volume Six: Chapter Six of The Program, we welcome back Chicago-based writer, poet, and blogger Drew Carroll. It’s been over five years since our last conversation, and a lot has changed. Drew has traded powerlifting for building worlds—through poetry, short fiction, and most recently his new digital platform, The Blog of Drew, launched in June.

In our conversation, we discuss his journey from writing poetry during some of the hardest times in his life, to creating his own short fiction universe, to stepping away from social media and eventually returning with new projects. Drew shares his thoughts on the idea of therapy, seeking therapy, vulnerability, and masculinity—especially for Black men—and how those ideas have shaped his creativity.

We also dive into his passions outside of writing, including professional wrestling and the state of the industry today.

Contact Drew:
Instagram: @drewbcarroll
Website: theblogofdrew.com

Recorded Spoken Word Performances Featured Include:

Ajanae Dawkins –When Viola Davis Won
Instagram: @moonsatdusk
Website: ajanaedawkins.com

Darius Simpson – Genocide
Instagram: @_dariussimpson
Website: dariussimpson.com

Alysia Harris – In Situations Like This
Instagram: @poppyinthewheat
Website: alysiaharris.com

Taalam Acey – Affirmation For Black Men
Instagram: @taalamacey
Website: taalamacey.com

Prentice Powell – True Love
Instagram: @prenticepowell1908

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