Olivia Rodrigo sat down with Joe and Jon for her first in-depth conversation about her new album, “you seem pretty sad for a girl so in love,” out June 12. She discussed the many ways her creative process intersects with the extracurricular noise of pop superstardom, whether its managing relationship drama; being targeted for the way she dresses, accusations of pilfering songwriting gestures from Taylor Swift, her onetime idol, or her willingness to speak up about political and social causes in a way many of her peers won’t.

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Laurie Santos on what will really bring meaning and fulfillment to your life, and what won’t.

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While the United States and Iran have each signaled that they may be making progress toward a peace deal, the Strait of Hormuz remains closed.

Thousands of crew members have been stranded in the shipping channel since the war broke out three months ago.

Two seafarers who got stuck in the strait explain what it is like to be trapped in a war zone, and what it would mean to get everyone out.

Guest: Capt. Virendra Vishwakarma, who managed to leave the Strait of Hormuz, and Aung Thu Khant, a seafarer who is still stuck.

Background reading:

• Read the latest updates on the war in Iran.
• Thousands of civilian sailors have been stranded in waters surrounded by a conflict zone because of the war.

Photo: Reuters

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