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The Chad & Cheese Podcast

The Chad & Cheese Podcast

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 Everything people and workforce—recruiting, marketing, technology, talent management, and workforce economics—delivered with biting sarcasm and unapologetic snark. Industry misfits Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman bring their no-holds-barred opinions to dissect news, trends, and the occasional dumpster fire. If you’re a hiring company, staffing firm, or vendor looking for insights (and a thick skin), these two won’t just tell you what’s happening—they’ll tell you why you’re probably doing it wrong. Buckle up, buttercup.© 2025 The Chad & Cheese Podcast Career Success Economics
Episodes
  • Chicken Cock Live

    Chicken Cock Live
    Oct 17 2025
    A Scotsman, two clowns and a whole bunch of TA professionals walk into a Chicken Cock speakeasy ... No, it's not a joke, it's Chad & Cheese recording live from their recent visit to Louisville, Kentucky for some of the finest bourbon around and a little industry chat with Dan Heverin, Talent Acquisition Manager at Humana and Jacqueline Carow, North America Agency Director at Havas People. Recording in front of a rowdy bunch of recruiting pros, the gang talks automation, employment branding, tech stacks, the future of recruiting and more. Grab a pour and enjoy. We're return to our regularly scheduled program next week.
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    36 mins
  • Shredded: GigRadar, Upsky, Humanly, Sprockets, Qualifi, HourWork, Facebook & More

    Shredded: GigRadar, Upsky, Humanly, Sprockets, Qualifi, HourWork, Facebook & More
    Oct 16 2025
    The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.
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    5 mins
  • Welcome to SkyNet w/ Malcolm Frank

    Welcome to SkyNet w/ Malcolm Frank
    Oct 14 2025
    In this episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, the boys interview Malcolm Frank, former president of Cognizant Digital and current CEO of Talent Genius, a platform focused on AI-driven talent acquisition. Frank, an Ohio native, discusses his extensive experience in technology and consulting, highlighting Cognizant's growth from 10,000 to over 300,000 employees. He traces AI's rise in business, noting its "slow, then sudden" impact since ChatGPT's 2022 debut. Frank critiques CEOs for layering AI onto outdated structures, leading to poor ROI, as shown in an MIT survey, and advocates for first-principles thinking to redesign processes. He sees recruiting transforming with AI, cutting sourcing time (e.g., scanning 7.5 million profiles instantly) and improving cultural fit analysis, though human recruiters remain vital for emotional connection. Frank warns of AI scaling biases faster than humans, necessitating strong governance to avoid issues like predatory lending seen in early AI experiments. He discusses Talent Genius’s “Agent Powered” platform, which helps workers leverage AI to amplify skills (e.g., becoming “5x” more effective), drawing parallels to historical job shifts like the iceman’s obsolescence. The lively discussion, peppered with humor about Davos and Buckeyes, emphasizes AI’s potential to turbocharge talent management if thoughtfully integrated, urging listeners to visit talentgenius.io for more. Chapters 00:00 - Introduction to Malcolm Frank 01:56 - The Rise of AI and Its Impact 05:20 - Challenges in AI Implementation 09:02 - The Future of Recruiting with AI 12:53 - Investing in Employee Development 17:19 - The Role of AI in Talent Acquisition 21:16 - Big Tech vs. Niche Vendors in HR Tech 24:48 - The Evolution of ATS and Recruiting Tools 28:51 - Bias in AI and Its Implications 35:23 - AI's Impact on Blue Collar Jobs 37:39 - The Vision Behind Talent Genius
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    40 mins
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