What if you could actually insure your child support and alimony? In this episode, Karen sits down with Ron Platt, co-founder of the National Association for Single and Divorced Families (NASDF), to introduce a first-of-its-kind organization built to support people at every stage of divorce — before, during, and long after the paperwork is signed. Ron shares the origin story of NASDF's groundbreaking insurance product, which is designed to guarantee child support and alimony payments in the event of death, disability, or involuntary unemployment — a concept 30 years in the making that his late father first dreamed up.

But before we get to the business, Ron gets personal. As a child of divorce himself, he shares a surprisingly warm story of immigrant parents whose relationship actually improved after their marriage ended — a real-life example of "the good divorce." Ron also opens up about his own painful 14-year relationship, his journey through grief and therapy, and how he ultimately did the work to break old patterns and find unconditional love. His story is a reminder that divorce, as hard as it is, can be the catalyst for profound personal growth.

Beyond insurance, Ron paints an ambitious vision for NASDF as the "Costco of associations" — a growing membership community that aims to negotiate discounts on everything from diapers and daycare to car purchases and legal fees for divorced and single-parent families. He also touches on their advocacy work in foster care reform and their commitment to serving all families — men and women, same-sex couples, and those "married by mortgage." Find NASDF at nasdf.org and, as Ron puts it: there is light at the end of the tunnel, but you gotta do the work.

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