On this episode of Wide Walls, I’m joined by Dr. Gary Stager — educator, author, jazz lover, and one of the most outspoken champions of constructionism and learning-by-doing in classrooms.

Gary has spent decades reimagining how children learn, championing hands-on, creative, and learner-driven approaches inspired by the work of Seymour Papert and Reggio Emilia philosophy.

In this episode, we discuss:

Jazz as a Model for Learning

Jazz blends mastery, collaboration, and deep listening. Excellence emerges from practice, tradition, and co-creation — not shortcuts. Classrooms should aspire to that same standard.

Reanimating the Art of Teaching

Teaching is not curriculum delivery. It’s designing environments where powerful ideas can flourish. Empathy and intuition matter as much as content.

High Ceilings Matter

Creativity without ambition is shallow. Students need real complexity and meaningful standards to grow.

Computers as Intellectual Laboratories

Programming is a way of thinking, not just a skill. When students model ideas with code, they engage deeply with concepts. Making with bits expands what’s possible.

Love Over Duty

Dignity and meaningful work reduce discipline better than rules. Students remember relationships, not worksheets. Love is a better master than duty.

Find more about Gary and his work:

* Personal Website -> https://professorgarystager.com/

* LinkedIn -> https://www.linkedin.com/in/garystager/

* Invent to Learn -> https://inventtolearn.com/

* Seymour Papert Archives -> https://dailypapert.com/

* The Language of Computation - CMK in Reggio Emilia -> https://reggio.constructingmodernknowledge.com/

* Cymbal Press -> https://cymbalpress.com/