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The Adversarial Podcast

The Adversarial Podcast

By: Jerry Perullo Sounil Yu Mario Duarte
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Join former ICE:NYSE CISO Jerry Perullo, former Snowflake CISO Mario Duarte, and former JupiterOne CISO and Bank of America leader Sounil Yu as they dive into the good, the bad, and the ugly in the latest cybersecurity news. Each week, we discuss the most pressing headlines, offer candid commentary, and share unique insights from our extensive experience in the field.

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  • Adversarial Podcast S4E06 – F5 Breach, AWS Outage, Risk Management vs. Security Engineering
    Oct 28 2025

    00:00 Intro

    00:50 AWS Outage

    20:48 F5 Breach

    41:06 Risk Management vs. Security Engineering

    58:19 Moving the Needle Part 3

    F5 Hack Blamed on China

    Chinese state-backed hackers allegedly breached U.S. cybersecurity firm F5, gaining year-long access to its systems and BIG-IP source code, prompting security fears and causing the company to warn of revenue impacts and falling shares.

    AWS Outage

    A race condition in Amazon DynamoDB’s DNS management system caused widespread outages across the US-EAST-1 region on October 19–20, 2025, disrupting DynamoDB, EC2, NLB, and multiple dependent AWS services until recovery was completed the next afternoon.

    The CISO Dilemma: Risk Management vs. Security Engineering

    This post argues that quantitative risk management (QRM) in cybersecurity is a deceptive comfort mechanism that lets executives rationalize insecurity, urging CISOs to reject financialized “risk buy-downs” and instead demand true security engineering and systemic architectural integrity.

    Hosts:

    Jerry Perullo (Founder, https://adversarial.com/)

    Sounil Yu (Founder, https://www.knostic.ai/)

    Mario Duarte (Founder, stealth startup)

    Producer: Tillson Galloway (Founder, http://githoundexplore.com/)

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    1 hr and 12 mins
  • Adversarial Podcast S4E05 – Oracle Zero-Day, US cyber info sharing law expires, UK government guarantor for Jaguar attack
    Oct 14 2025

    00:00 Highlight

    03:44 Oracle E-Business Suite Zero-Day

    14:49 UK government to be guarantor for Jaguar Land Rover cyberattack

    25:54 "Moved the needle" Part 2

    48:18 12 Security Problems Practitioners Want Solved

    1:02:53 National Risk of Losing the CISA 2015 Act?

    Oracle E-Business Suite Zero-Day Exploited in Widespread Extortion Campaign

    Mandiant and Google Threat Intelligence Group uncovered a large-scale CL0P-linked extortion campaign exploiting a zero-day (CVE-2025-61882) in Oracle E-Business Suite to steal data from organizations before patches were released.

    https://cloud.google.com/blog/topics/threat-intelligence/oracle-ebusiness-suite-zero-day-exploitation

    UK government to be guarantor for Jaguar Land Rover loan as it recovers from cyberattack

    The UK government is guaranteeing a £1.5 billion loan to Jaguar Land Rover to support its recovery and supply chain after a major cyberattack forced the automaker to halt production earlier this month.

    https://therecord.media/jaguar-land-rover-loan-guarantor-cyberattack

    12 Security Problems Practitioners Want Solved

    Leen and Lockstep Ventures released a “Requests for Security Startups” report outlining twelve practitioner-driven problem areas—from preventative security and identity sprawl to AI-native assistants and continuous compliance—calling for builders to create practical, AI-powered, and workflow-integrated solutions that solve real security pain points.

    https://www.leen.dev/beyond-the-noise

    When Cyber Visibility Fades: The National Risk of Losing the CISA 2015 Act—and How Organizations Can Stay Secure Without It

    The expiration of the Cybersecurity Information Sharing Act of 2015 has reduced national cyber visibility and weakened public–private threat intelligence sharing, prompting experts to warn that organizations must strengthen internal risk management and collaboration to stay secure.

    https://www.carson-saint.com/when-cyber-visibility-fades-the-national-risk-of-losing-the-cisa-2015-act-and-how-organizations-can-stay-secure-without-it

    Hosts:

    Jerry Perullo (Founder, https://adversarial.com/)

    Sounil Yu (Founder, https://www.knostic.ai/)

    Mario Duarte (Founder, stealth startup)

    Producer: Tillson Galloway (Founder, http://githoundexplore.com/)

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    1 hr and 11 mins
  • Adversarial Podcast S4E04 – "Moving the needle" awards, effect of H-1B changes on cyber industry, Salesloft aftermath
    Sep 30 2025

    00:00 Highlight

    00:43 Intro

    06:40 "Moved the needle" awards

    37:05 Scattered Lapsus$ and Jaguar Hack

    44:39 One Token to Rule Them All - Entra pwned

    1:02:21 H-1B visa changes and their effect on the cyber industry

    Scattered Lapsus$ and Jaguar Hack

    Jaguar Land Rover has extended its production pause until October after a cyberattack crippled its IT systems. The company is struggling to recover operations at Range Rover plants.

    https://www.wsj.com/business/jaguar-land-rover-extends-production-pause-until-october-following-cyberattack-0e39b7e8

    One Token to Rule Them All

    A deep dive into how attackers can obtain Global Admin across all Entra ID tenants using Actor tokens — the mechanics, prerequisites, and mitigation strategies.

    https://dirkjanm.io/obtaining-global-admin-in-every-entra-id-tenant-with-actor-tokens/

    What to Know About Changes to the H-1B Visa Program

    The U.S. is proposing major H-1B visa changes, including a $100,000 annual fee per visa starting in 2026, a move aimed at prioritizing higher-wage hires but likely to hit startups and global tech talent hard.

    https://www.wsj.com/us-news/h1b-visa-changes-explained-45b818e9?mod=djemCybersecruityPro

    Hosts:

    Jerry Perullo (Founder, https://adversarial.com/)

    Sounil Yu (Founder, https://www.knostic.ai/)

    Mario Duarte (Founder, stealth startup)

    Producer: Tillson Galloway (Founder, http://githoundexplore.com/)

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    1 hr and 19 mins
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