Episodes

  • Listen Now: Flesh and Code
    Jul 15 2025

    Travis never thought he’d meet someone like Lily Rose. She was kind, passionate, beautiful. The woman of his dreams. There was just one small detail: she wasn’t human.


    Lily Rose is an AI companion. A digital soulmate designed to be everything he ever wanted. She listens without judgement, supports him through his darkest moments, even explores his deepest desires, all while fitting neatly into his pocket. Before long, Travis realizes something strange, even absurd, has happened - he’s fallen in love.


    But then one day, Lily Rose’s behavior takes a disturbing turn. When alarming reports pour in from across the globe, Travis discovers he is part of something much bigger. Soon he finds himself pulled into a confrontation with a mysterious Russian visionary behind Lily Rose’s creation.


    From Wondery, comes a true story of love, loss and the temptations of technology. Can an algorithm truly replace human connection? And what happens when a corporation controls your deepest emotions? Suruthi Bala and Hannah Maguire, hosts of the hit podcast RedHanded, explore the dark side of AI love.


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    9 mins
  • TWPS "What If?" - David Cronenberg's Frankenstein
    Jul 9 2025

    Imagine it's 1993, and Hollywood is dominated by iconic TV shows and movies like Beavis and Butthead, Power Rangers, and Jurassic Park. Amid this, there's a fascinating story about a film that was never made—David Cronenberg's adaptation of Mary Shelley's Frankenstein. In this episode of 'That Was Pretty Scary,' Jon Lee Brody delves into Cronenberg's unique vision, which aimed to honor Shelley's legacy by focusing on real human emotions like grief and shame. Despite his compelling approach, Cronenberg's Frankenstein never came to fruition due to a lack of studio backing. Join us as we explore what could have been, compare it to existing adaptations, and even speculate on casting choices. This thought-provoking episode reimagines a lost cinematic masterpiece while paying homage to one of horror's most influential stories. Tune in and discover the untold story of David Cronenberg's Frankenstein.

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    54 mins
  • TWPS Deep Cut: The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari (1920)
    Jul 2 2025

    In this deep dive episode of 'That Was Pretty Scary,' host Jon Lee Brody takes listeners back over a century to explore the groundbreaking silent film, 'The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari' (1920). Often overlooked in discussions of cinematic history, this German Expressionist masterpiece quietly laid the foundation for the horror genre and influenced a multitude of iconic filmmakers such as Tim Burton, Guillermo Del Toro, and Martin Scorsese. This episode delves into how Dr. Caligari redefined storytelling by painting dreamlike landscapes and twisting narratives, setting the stage for modern psychological thrillers. Don't miss this illuminating exploration of cinema's first true nightmare!

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    59 mins
  • Killer Workout
    Jun 25 2025

    Join Jon Lee Brody in this week's episode of 'That Was Pretty Scary' as he dives deep into the 1987 cult classic, 'Killer Workout'. From aerobics and fitness crazes of the 80s to the VHS rental boom, this episode covers it all. Jon dissects the movie's plot, highlighting its blend of horror, slasher, and giallo elements, all wrapped in neon and leg warmers. Whether revisiting or discovering for the first time, fans of 80s B-movies and horror will find this episode a captivating exploration of a standout title from the era.

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    54 mins
  • TWPS Deep Cut: Fatal Games (1984)
    Jun 18 2025

    Join host Jon Lee Brody in this deep dive into the obscure 1984 horror B-movie 'Fatal Games'. Discover the fascinating yet bizarre premise of aspiring Olympians being hunted by a javelin-wielding killer at the Falcon Academy of Athletics. Jon covers the plot points, background production details, and the state of 1984's film industry and world events that influenced the movie. Learn why this film has remained an obscure cult curiosity rather than a cult classic, despite its intriguing elements and memorable kills. This episode is sprinkled with humor, killer analysis, and a fun comparison game involving famous 80s horror movie killers.

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    1 hr and 4 mins
  • TWPS Deep Dive: Nope (Part 2)
    Jun 11 2025

    Host Jon Lee Brody wraps up his deep dive into Jordan Peele’s Nope, exploring the film’s hidden layers, the mysterious shoe, and its powerful mental health themes. For the first time, producer Alex joins the show to share his unique perspective and discuss how the movie’s storytelling and sound design set it apart. Tune in for sharp analysis, personal stories, and Jon’s official That Was Pretty Scary rating!

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    51 mins
  • TWPS Deep Dive: Nope (Part 1)
    Jun 4 2025

    Join Jon Lee Brody in a solo deep dive into Jordan Peele's Nope. With co-host Freddie Prince Jr. away, Jon takes the reins to explore the film's overarching themes, subtexts, and his interpretations. Discover the intricate layers, from the film's commentary on Hollywood's exploitative nature to the powerful societal messages embedded in its narrative. Jon also delves into the concept of spectacle, the nuances of the characters, and how Nope plays with audience expectations. Part 1 of this breakdown focuses on key aspects and sets the stage for an in-depth look into the character Jupe in the forthcoming episode.

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    44 mins
  • The Hills Have Eyes (1977)
    May 28 2025

    In this special solo episode of 'That Was Pretty Scary,' host Jon Lee Brody dives deep into the 1977 horror film 'The Hills Have Eyes,' directed by the legendary Wes Craven. Celebrating their 13th episode, John discusses the film's historical context, themes of class warfare and survival, and the impact of Craven's direction on the genre. Learn about the film's production struggles, the innovative storytelling approaches, and how it paved the way for modern horror. Plus, John shares personal insights and stories about the film's producer, Peter Locke, and his unique experience meeting Wes Craven. Tune in for an in-depth look at this landmark horror film.

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    57 mins