Love is the topic of this final episode of our Advent series as Lisa hosts Matt and Jenn, who recently celebrated their 25th wedding anniversary. They discuss the two sides of love – both in the context of marriage and in our relationship with Jesus as we approach Christmas.

There is the “feelings” kind of love and then there is the deeper love which equals commitment. Sometimes this means doing something we don’t feel like doing, but it brings about depth and purpose within a relationship. We hear about their beginnings – when Matt realized he “wanted out of the friend zone,” and how Jenn sensed God’s leading in their relationship.

Jenn and Matt also share their first-love experiences surrounding Christmas. They also discuss the reality of Mary and Joseph’s experience that required sacrifice, faith, and uncertainty amidst their love for Jesus.

Jenn reminds us that Jesus knew what He was saying ‘yes’ to when He was willing to come to earth and Matt expounds upon Jesus’ Messianic identity and upon whom that role hinges.

As we contemplate the message of Jesus coming to earth, we have a choice to make. Will we make room in our hearts for Him?

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Release: December 2025
Music by Christian Harper
Production by Christian Harper