What does the essence of an Enneagram 9 sound like? How can music—as a creative, nonverbal, soul-driven art form—bypass personality defenses and speak directly from who we truly are?

In this episode, I sit down with my good friend Andrew J. Lynch, a drummer and music producer, to explore how music can reflect the essential qualities of an Enneagram 9: peace, depth, open-mindedness, groundedness

Together, we discuss:

• The difference between essence and personality in the Enneagram

• Timing, flow, and losing yourself in the music

• How Enneagram type influences how we play and listen to music

• Perfectionism, imposter syndrome, and the creative process

• Sacred Geometry, Love, Fear, and Mystery

Whether you’re a Nine, love a Nine, or are curious about how music can serve as a mirror of the soul, this episode is a rich, inspiring exploration of how the Enneagram shows up beyond words.

🎶 Andrew’s music is available at: andrewjlynch.com

“Pyramid” Album out 6/21/25: https://distrokid.com/hyperfollow/andrewjlynch/p-y-r-a-m-i-d

Follow Elliot Killian:All links: https://sleek.bio/elliotkillianhttps://www.elliotkillian.org/https://www.instagram.com/elliotkillian/🎙 Podcast platforms: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/talkin-truth-e-killianTimestamps00:00:00 Coming Up00:00:58 Episode Introduction00:02:52 Drew's familiarity with the Enneagram00:03:53 Enneagram 9 and the Spirit of Mr. Rogers00:06:35 Music as an expression of Essence00:09:02 Good Timing, Flow, and Becoming One with the Song00:14:55 How Do Enneagram Types Listen to Music Differently?00:17:13 Does Type Influence Instrument Choice?00:22:19 Types You Wouldn’t Want in a Band?00:26:10 Perfectionism and Why It Can Ruin Music00:28:57 Do Some Types Keep Better Time?00:34:49 Imposter Syndrome and Avoiding Social Media00:40:58 Unifying musicians as a producer, Bob Ross "happy accidents"00:45:41 Behind the Songs: Stories and Creative Process00:54:50 How the 9 Essence shows up in Drew’s song themes and titles00:58:45 Drew’s Favorite Definition of Love01:01:07 Sacred Geometry, Triangles, Mystery01:03:01 How Fear Creates Separation01:06:30 Interconnectedness, Synchronicity, Life Purpose, Flow

Elliot Killian and Nancy Markow discuss parenting approaches, using the Enneagram in relationships (hint: it’s not about type-based compatibility), how Type 2s can grow by utilizing all of their lines of connection, synthesizing the Enneagram with yoga and eastern spirituality, and the hidden connection between point 2 and 5.

Nancy is passionate about the Enneagram, Yoga, Meditation, Spirituality, and Metaphysics, with nearly 30 years of study and practice. In 2006, she founded Connecting You with YourSelf (CYWY), a now free online community offering a place to learn, share, and participate. Learn more about CYWY, all that is available to you, and how you can be part of the community at www.connectingyouwithyourself.com

On 11/12/24, Elliot will be giving a talk on the CYWY platform titled “I-Fear/Desire: Connecting the Psychological and Spiritual Dimensions of the Enneagram.” The talk will draw upon a well-developed Indian philosophy on the nature of mind, consciousness, and reality, with the aim of creating a cohesive philosophical framework to maximize the transformative potential of the Enneagram.

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Show notes and Timestamps: https://www.elliotkillian.org/ep7-enneagram-2-nancy-markow/

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One of the core struggles for an Enneagram 1 is acceptance. As a type propelled by values and morals, driven to better conditions or promote justice and fairness; accepting situations, others, or themselves can pose a challenge. Interestingly, this overarching life struggle with acceptance often manifests in the initial stages of Enneagram typing as well—in my experience, Enneagram Ones are the type most prone to identify with another type and resist their typing.

In this episode of Talkin’ Truth, I interview a friend, bandmate, and behavioral health therapist Holly, aiming to resolve a long-standing, playful disagreement we've had over whether she is a 2w1 or a 1w2.

While recounting humorous stories, this podcast goes over some of the similarities and defining differences between 1s and 2s and covers:

- The shared connection that types 1 and 2 have to point 4, but how they use and experience 4 in different ways

- Sensitivity to criticism and feedback

- Childhood messages and pivotal shaping experiences

- How their core values manifest differently in social dynamics and relationships

- The importance of comparing levels of health when typing

A conversation about addiction, therapy, restrictive eating, and pleasure highlights some of the thematic tensions between points 1 and 7, and shows how 4, commonly thought of as 1’s disintegration point, can help resolve that.

If you’re familiar with the Enneagram, share your opinions about some of the typing discussions that we present during the podcast and help us settle the debate about Holly’s Enneagram type and what aspects of our conversation led you to that conclusion.

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Show notes and timestamps: https://www.elliotkillian.org/ep6-enneagram-1w2-or-2w1/

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