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Some Work, All Play

Some Work, All Play

By: David Roche and Megan Roche
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Five to ten topics, sometimes about running, with lots of love and enthusiasm and science. We dig deep into training, races, studies, pop culture, and much more! With Megan Roche, M.D. and David Roche!David Roche and Megan Roche Running & Jogging
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  • 271. High Carb and Performance, Wild Science on What Causes Injuries, Bicarb Breakthroughs, Overload Training, and Kilian’s Next Project!
    Aug 12 2025

    We conquered the WOOHOO yips before this amazing episode! The main science topic was on a new study that examined the causes of injuries in a 5205-athlete sample. The headline finding was relatively intuitive, but the sub-finding was so shocking that we are still picking our jaws up off the floor. We break it down and discuss how it may clarify training theory!

    And this one was full of our favorite topics! Other topics: the yips in athletes (and podcasters), Megan’s Aspen Mountain breakthrough, the interaction of high carb and bicarb to make endurance sports faster, the best protein supplement we have tried, one of our heroes Kate Courtney wins the Leadville 100 mountain bike, Kilian’s next project in the USA, Steph Curry doing weight-vest trail running, and the tricky conversation around bodyweight and health happening in women’s cycling.

    Plus there was a Q+A on the mechanics of podcast recording, nutrition considerations for vegan athletes, the complications of rhabdo in ultra athletes, “purposeful flow” in training plans and how that relates to a new study on overload blocks, overcoming fear in racing, daily carb intake, and high carb in the birth process.

    It finished with a quote that we’ll be living by. Let’s feel what there is to feel while we are here.

    We love you all! HUZZAH!

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    1 hr and 37 mins
  • 270. Drama at the US Track Champs, Megan's Comeback Race, The Cooling Revolution, Harnessing Supercompensation, and Improving Sleep Before Races!
    Aug 5 2025

    We luxuriated in vending machine cookies before this great episode! We started by talking about Megan's first race in 1.5 years. She HAD A DAY, and we share a celebration of the winding road to get here.

    We also talked about the USA Track Championships, which might have been the most surprising (and drama-filled) track meet we have ever seen. There was a near-fight in the 200m, Shelby Houlihan winning the 5k, a 16-year old running a 1:42 800m, and so much more! David was there, coaching and asking questions. He reports back!

    And this one was full of amazing topics! Other topics: sodium bicarbonate uses and risks, David's travel nightmare to make it back in time for Megan's race, the cooling revolution in endurance sports, stories from the Tour de France Femmes, how to think about pre-race sleep, the origins of the dinosaur logo, post-race supercompensation windows, supplement timing, treadmill grade, a hypothetical on which runner we'd most like to be for a day, bloodwork after heat training, dealing with shin pain, and lots more!

    Thank you all so much for being here for the whole journey! HUZZAH!

    -Megan and David

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    1 hr and 33 mins
  • 269. “No Secrets” Q+A on Creatine, What Elite Athletes Do, A Controversial Electrolytes Article, How To Cross Train, and More!
    Jul 29 2025

    We gathered up some spicy questions for this amazing episode! It's in the "no secrets" style, where we leave nothing behind the curtain. Prepare for some fun!

    Topics this week: post-race fitness bumps, the central governor, creatine supplementation, adapting the 12-week pro marathon plan, what fueling options to buy with $100, the intensity distribution principle that unites real-world elite athlete training, overcoming relative energy deficiency in sport (REDs), an embarrassing "letter to my future self" that David wrote as a kid, whether to pick up and move, how to incorporate cross training, our special talents in a Hunger Games scenario, a controversial article on electrolytes, the perils of making excessively large conclusions from sports science studies, doping in endurance sports, creating in a world with AI, unintentional underfueling, and lots more!

    We like our deodorant drawer to be the opposite of our podcasts: full of little travel-sized Secrets. We love you all! HUZZAH!

    -David and Megan

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    1 hr and 27 mins
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