Nancy and Sarah discuss a recent viral essay in NYT magazine called “The Trouble With Wanting Men.” Nancy had a meltdown reading this story, while Sarah saw romantic problems she recognized as well as behavior designed to fail. The two ladies talk about a vogue for female bitchery, a lack of grace in women’s voices, and whether men and women can ever repair the anger and resentment that’s erupted between them — at least online.

Also discussed:

* The time Nancy’s mom bought Black Sabbath PARANOID on 8-track

* That time Ozzy peed on the Alamo

* diddle-diddle-diddle

* Sarah propositions Kat Rosenfield, mispronounces her last name (again)

* Maybe that Mars/Venus guy was onto something

* Sarah wept through the Kavanaugh hearings

* “Why didn’t you tell me you had a uterus?”

* Girlboss versus YouPorn; YouPorn wins

* Cormac McCarthy lunges from ambush

* Sarah negs Nancy, proves that negging works …

* Open marriages, oy

* “Bratty sub”

* Nancy does not want a man to bend to her whims

* A debate over the word “thrill”

* That Texas Monthly flood essay, damn

* Nancy gives advice to overheated feminists

* Sarah waxes sociological about equality and same-sex relationships

* “hermeneutic labor” is …?

* All snuggle, all the time

Plus, what Sarah wants Nancy to read her on her deathbed, Pedro Pascal is too much with us, Christopher Hitchens on Bill Clinton, and much more!

Nancy and Sarah discuss the viral story of the week: Astronomer CEO Andy Byron and head of HR Kristin Cabot get caught cuddling on camera at a Coldplay concert. Who are these people, and why do we care? Good question! Celebrity in the 21st century is a relative term, and this story raises questions about surveillance, social-media Schadenfreude, the danger of online sleuthing, and why we have Kiss Cams in the first place.

The ladies also talk about a NYT story on how decadence at Peak Conde Nast is reminiscent of the fall of Rome. (Hint: There will be elephants.)

Also discussed:

* Ice cream got too complicated.

* Death by Grok

* Why is there a Kiss Cam at a Coldplay concert?

* WHAT WOULD YOU DO? A hypothetical on Kiss Cams.

* Sarah’s salty texts with Oscar Isaac

* Don’t you go dipping into Nancy’s DMs

* What Succession teaches us about shareholders

* “Blow-in cards”

* Sarah’s Columbia Records & Tapes scam

* Expectations of privacy when having illicit affair

* Nancy has not read Pride and Prejudice

* Rock music critics have dopey prejudices

* That $475k Vanity Fair photo shoot

* The New Yorker, not really a money-maker

* Who is the real Conde Nast?

* Sarah makes Nancy blush

* Pam Colloff, the GOAT of longform

* … But is the tampon singing?

Plus, love for 30 Rock, the writer who made $12 a word, why you should reach out to friends (and strangers), and much more!

Nancy and Sarah are stumbling into land mines — quickly! — in this episode, where a convo about Jennifer Love Hewitt’s recent turn in the spotlight proves the ladies don’t even agree on that. It’s hard to talk about women and their bodies: Fat vs. curvy, skinny vs. anorexic, body positive vs. morbidly obese, Ozempic-face vs. mom-bod, Lena Dunham vs. #SkinnyTok. How the ladies discuss these subjects may offend some people (warning: a lot of boob talk), but maybe it’s time to stop taking such easy offense on a vital and complicated subject. As Sarah says, “It’s a weird time to have a body.”

NOTE: Want to judge our appearance? Only fair. Join us on our YouTube channel.

In the second half of the show, we ask: Will the Epstein story be what splits MAGA?

Also discussed:

* A plague of mosquitos!

* Sarah is a sensitive flower; Nancy is pigeon-toed

* Love for The Dumb Zone

* How is Lena Dunham like Woody Allen?

* Sarah’s “absolute milk sheds”

* The miracle of “nursing boobs”

* “We have all these conversations about guys and their dicks” (???)

* Liv Schmidt, a 23-year-old influencer who looks exactly like you assume

* Shame, the most powerful motivator

* The getting-our-period anecdotes no one wanted to hear

* Respect: Nancy’s dad loved Helen Mirren

* Props to Tina Brown

* Stalin: hot or not?

* A moral telling of a tragic story

Plus, true-crime talk, coming around on Ozempic, the time Sarah flashed an 80-year-old at Oktoberfest, and much more!