“It was silly then, and it’s become sillier now, the idea that if you build it, they will come.” – Joni Deutsch

When Joni said that, it really hit home. So many podcasters (including me, in the early days) believe that great content alone will attract an audience. But as Joni explains, in today’s crowded world of podcasting, you have to market your show just as smartly as you produce it.

This episode honestly blew me away. Joni is the Senior Vice President of Marketing & Audience Development at The Podglomerate, one of the top podcast agencies in the world, working with brands like NPR, Netflix, and Harvard. She shared everything from the truth about fake “organic promotion” offers, to how pixels actually track podcast ads, to the smartest ways to grow your audience — even on a small budget.

Key Talking Points

1. Marketing is essential, not optional.
2. Avoid fake “growth hacks.”
3. Know your audience inside out.
4. Podcast pixels are game-changing.
5. Growth takes time and relationships

Chapters & Timestamps

• 04:30 — Can You Succeed Without Marketing?
• 09:00 — The “If You Build It” Myth
• 17:00 — Fake Downloads and Vanity Metrics
• 28:00 — What the Hell is a Pixel?
• 45:00 — Real Growth Strategies

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Niall Mackay, The Podcast Guy, shares his journey from starting a podcast about Saigon in 2019 to running a successful, end-to-end podcast production agency.

Niall discusses the evolution of his podcast, including rebranding it to focus on Vietnam as a whole, and how he navigated significant challenges like the COVID-19 pandemic.

He emphasizes the importance of setting specific goals, learning to say no, and focusing on one's primary objective for achieving success.

Niall also shares insights on the most effective social media platforms and strategies for monetizing a podcast production business.

00:00 Introduction and Beginnings in Saigon
00:00 Rebranding and Expanding Beyond Saigon
00:00 Challenges and Pivotal Decisions During COVID
00:00 Refocusing and Setting Goals
00:00 Achievements and Recognition
00:00 Q&A: Social Media and Monetization
00:00 Q&A: Income and Final Thoughts

Send us a text

Email me (niall@sevenmillionbikes.com) or contact me on Seven Million Bikes Podcasts Facebook or Instagram to book your free Podcast Audit!

Thanks to James Mastroianni from The Wrong Side Of Hollywood for the endorsement!

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“The reason I’m putting on a podcast is because I want to listen. I don’t want to read about the hosts - I want you to tell me about you.” — Adrie Mackay

This episode is easily one of my favorites — not because of the guest (though she is my wife), but because I finally got to hear the raw, honest perspective of a real podcast listener. Adrie isn’t in the industry; she doesn’t care about gear or metrics. She just loves great stories, good sound, and shows that respect her time.

Listening to her describe how she chooses podcasts, where she listens, and what makes her switch off reminded me that every podcaster needs to think more like a listener. This conversation changed the way I look at intros, ads, and even how people interact with Spotify. If you want to know how your audience really experiences your show — this is the episode to listen to.

5 Key Talking Points

1. Listeners crave connection. They tune in to people, not just topics.
2. Bad audio kills interest instantly — even more than weak content.
3. The first two minutes decide everything. Get to the point fast.
4. Titles and artwork matter more than show notes. Most people never read them.
5. Podcast habits are personal. Where, when, and how people listen shapes what they love — and what they skip.

Chapters and Timestamps

• 00:00 — Why People Listen
• 03:00 — From Talk Radio to True Crime
• 09:00 — What Makes Listeners Switch Off
• 17:00 — Should You Repeat Your Intro Every Episode?
• 25:00 — How Listeners Discover New Podcasts
• 35:00 — Lessons for Podcasters

Send us a text

Email me (niall@sevenmillionbikes.com) or contact me on Seven Million Bikes Podcasts Facebook or Instagram to book your free Podcast Audit!

Thanks to James Mastroianni from The Wrong Side Of Hollywood for the endorsement!

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