Blue Steel spent years working in the trenches of DC politics and has somehow managed to escape with both her humanity and her sense of humor intact. In this episode, she and I pole vault off of Charles Blow's Rescue Plan for Black America into all sorts of topics. A lot of them concerning race and politics. A fair number not. Pretty chill, fun conversation considering the subject matter.

Follow Blue Steel on Twitter: @BlueSteelDC

Jamie Schler is an author, baker, jam maker and hotelier living in Chinon, France. In this conversation, we talk about how kitchen life kept us both sane these past few years, and she explains what it's like running a 17th Century hotel during a 21st Century plague. Oh, and she also reveals her secret association with the Project Mercury spaceflight program.

Find her online: @lifesafeast

Pick up her cookbooks: Orange Appeal and Isolation Baking

Sleep under her roof: Hôtel Diderot

Jessica Ellis, the writer/director of the soon-to-be-released independent film What Lies West, takes time out of her daily routine of sheltering in place from a raging pandemic to bullshit with Dennis about getting your stuff out there in the world.

Later, trusted comrade Michael Ewing pops in to talk about Ultimate Frisbee or something.