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Pamela Nathan is a clinical and forensic psychologist with more than 40 years’ experience working in prisons, courts and forensic hospitals, and a long history of listening to people whose crimes have shocked the public.

Pamela has recently published a book titled Pain Bleeds Crime, which takes us inside the inner worlds of violent offenders to explore how trauma, silence and past harm shape acts of extreme violence, not as excuses, but as revelations about what lies beneath the crime.

Pamela also reflects on her work in central Australia with young people through CASSE, Creating A Safe Supportive Environment, where she served as CEO for a decade and continues as a board member.

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Host: Meshel Laurie

Guest: Pamela Nathan

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