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Science of Reading: The Podcast

Science of Reading: The Podcast

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Science of Reading: The Podcast will deliver the latest insights from researchers and practitioners in early reading. Via a conversational approach, each episode explores a timely topic related to the science of reading.

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  • Leveled reading, leveled lives, with Tim Shanahan, Ph.D.
    Jul 30 2025

    In this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, top literacy scholar Tim Shanahan, Ph.D., returns to discuss his new book, Leveled Reading, Leveled Lives: How Students’ Reading Achievement Has Been Held Back and What We Can Do About It. During his conversation with Susan Lambert, he outlines what existing research says about leveled reading—and why it’s not effective. He also shares how the misuse of theory can lead to ineffectual conclusions, makes a case for the efficacy of more explicit instruction, and provides a few simple tweaks teachers can make to classroom instruction that can make a big difference for their students.

    Show notes:

    • Access free, high-quality resources at our brand new companion professional learning page.
    • Resources:
      • Book: Leveled Reading, Leveled Lives: How Students’ Reading Achievement Has Been Held Back and What We Can Do About It
    • Join our community Facebook group.
    • Connect with Susan Lambert.

    Quotes:

    “This notion of trying to match kids to books and get everybody to their right level is, at the very least, wasteful. It's not benefiting kids.” —Tim Shanahan, Ph.D.

    “We're spending an awful lot of time doing a lot of work that is not only not paying off, but it's probably holding a lot of kids back.” —Tim Shanahan, Ph.D.

    “When we try to ease the path so much so that the kids will hardly even know that they're learning anything, they're probably hardly ever gonna learn anything.” —Tim Shanahan, Ph.D.

    “Maybe we should be having kids read some of these texts more than once. Maybe we should be doing some of our fluency work, not after we did the comprehension work, but ahead of time.” —Tim Shanahan, Ph.D.

    Episode timestamps*
    02:00 Introduction: Who is Tim Shanahan?
    03:00 Most proud of as a researcher
    05:00 Most proud of in education policy work
    06:00 First book: Leveled Reading, Leveled Lives
    07:00 Motivation to write: Addressing instructional levels
    14:00 Relevance of misuse of theory
    17:00 Leveled instruction isn’t effective
    21:00 Self-reflections in the writing process
    22:00 Parallels to verbal learning
    24:00 What can teachers do?
    26:00 Fluency and reading things twice
    32:00 Grade level teaching opens opportunities
    33:00 The future of literacy development
    39:00 What is happening in American schools?
    *Timestamps are approximate, rounded to nearest minute


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    43 mins
  • Science of Reading Essentials: Comprehension
    Jul 16 2025

    In this special Essentials episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert pulls from past episodes to distill reading comprehension insights from experts Hugh Catts, Ph.D.; Sharon Vaughn, Ph.D.; and Reid Smith, Ph.D. Listeners will walk away from this episode with a foundational introduction to the complexities of reading comprehension, and gain an understanding of topics such as reframing comprehension as an outcome rather than a skill, choosing the right texts and asking the right questions, cultivating long term memory and knowledge recall, and understanding the real purpose of reading.

    Show notes:

    • Access the listening guide—and other free, high-quality resources—at our brand new professional learning page: http://amplify.com/science-of-reading/professional-learning
    • Join our community Facebook Group: www.facebook.com/groups/scienceofreading

    Quotes:

    “This Essentials episode does not answer everything about comprehension. All we're doing here is building a foundation, understanding that comprehension isn't a skill, it's complex.” —Susan Lambert

    “ For the most part, if we're paying attention, if we can read words efficiently and know what they mean and have background knowledge, it yields comprehension.” —Sharon Vaughn

    “ Some people say that the purpose of reading is comprehension. It's not the purpose of reading. The purpose of reading is whatever you're comprehending for.” —Hugh Catts

    “[There’s] a strong literature base that tells us that one of the differences between poor readers and strong readers is their ability to notice when there are inconsistencies in the text, and have strategies that they can employ to resolve those inconsistencies.” —Reid Smith

    Episode Timestamps*
    01:00 What are “Science of Reading: Essentials” episodes
    02:00 Introduction to comprehension
    05:00 Defining comprehension
    07:00 Reading comprehension as an outcome
    09:00 The purpose of reading with Hugh Catts
    11:00 Comprehension vs foundational reading skills
    17:00 The importance of text and asking the right questions with Sharon Vaughn
    20:00 Discussion on leveled reading
    26:00 Background knowledge with Reid Smith
    28:00 Long term memory and knowledge recall
    31:00 Final thoughts, tips, & encouragement
    34:00 Key takeaways from Susan
    36:00 Season 10 preview
    39:00 Coming up next: Tim Shanahan
    *Timestamps are approximate, rounded to nearest minute


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    40 mins
  • Summer ‘25 Rewind: The missing link in reading comprehension, with Anne Lucas
    Jul 2 2025

    In this rewind episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, we revisit a Season 1 conversation between host Susan Lambert and Anne Lucas, former curriculum director and current Associate Vice President of Product, Literacy Suite Initiatives & Supplementals at Amplify on the complexities of reading comprehension.Together they dive into the complex nature of comprehension and why it’s so difficult to teach.

    Show notes:

    • Access free, high-quality resources at our brand new, companion professional learning page: http://amplify.com/science-of-reading/professional-learning
    • Resources:
      • Read: Understanding and Teaching Reading Comprehension by Jane Oakhill
      • Read: The missing link in comprehension white paper
      • Listen: Science of Reading Essentials: Writing
    • Join our community Facebook Group: www.facebook.com/groups/scienceofreading
    • Connect with Susan Lambert: https://www.linkedin.com/in/susan-lambert-edd-b1512761/
    • Find our more information – and register – for our Science of Reading Summer Learning Series: https://amplify.com/sorsummerlearning

    Quotes:

    “We often think about comprehension as a product, or something that happens after kids read, but … the ability for a student to build a model or a network of ideas or a picture in their mind happens while they're reading.” —Anne Lucas

    “You know, you don't have to completely change your curriculum; you don't have to completely change the way you're teaching.” —Anne Lucas

    “Comprehension is making sense and meaning while you read, so you have the ability to discuss, analyze, and form an opinion about something after you read it.” —Anne Lucas

    Episode timestamps*
    03:00 Introduction: Who is Anne Lucas?
    07:00 Defining comprehension
    09:00 The missing link in comprehension
    10:00 Comprehension micro skills vs decoding
    14:00 End goal vs. process
    16:00 Current research
    18:00 Significance of “small” words
    20:00 Targeting micro skills in the classroom
    22:00 Comprehension skills vs strategies
    27:00 Teacher response to learning about micro skills
    29:00 Background knowledge
    31:00 Final takeaways on comprehension
    *Timestamps are approximate, rounded to nearest minute

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    34 mins
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