In this episode, I sit down with my good friend Jesse Elder for one of the most raw, unfiltered, and important conversations I've had in a long time.

So many brilliant coaches struggle to build a profitable business—not because they lack skill or heart, but because the game has changed. And most people are still trying to win using a rulebook that stopped working years ago.

Jesse and I get into all of it.

Highlights from the Conversation

• The "authenticity apocalypse"
Why AI is going to wipe out every coach who's faking it—and why the real, grounded, embodied coaches will rise to the top.

• Blending spiritual wisdom with strategic precision
How to integrate deep inner work with the practical actions that actually grow a business.

• Money as oxygen
Jesse's philosophy on treating money like breath, and the wild story of what happened when he gave away millions.

• The real spiritual path
Why starting a business will grow you spiritually faster than sitting in a cave, doing breathwork, or reading 200 self-help books.

• What humans can do that AI never will
The enduring advantage we'll always have—and why coaches who understand this will dominate the next decade.

A Key Insight I Share in This Episode

One thing I tell my clients all the time:

If you want real spiritual growth, don't go meditate in a cave.
Go start a business.

Because business will show you every fear, every story, every insecurity, every belief you've been avoiding… and force you to confront all of it.
That's where the real transformation happens.

This conversation goes deep into the mindset and energetic foundations of sustainable success—the kind where you hit your income goals and actually love your life.

Connect with Jesse Elder

Follow Jesse here:
https://www.facebook.com/timepiercer

Important Note

Results discussed in this episode are not typical. Building a successful coaching business requires dedication, skill development, consistent implementation, and often professional guidance. No income guarantees are expressed or implied.