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S4E25: Story of Transformation: “Your HR group probably isn’t strategic enough!” with Joyce Shaefer

S4E25: Story of Transformation: “Your HR group probably isn’t strategic enough!” with Joyce Shaefer

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Today we’re thrilled to welcome Joyce Schaefer to the podcast—someone who has truly lived out the evolving identity of HR professionals and the strategic power they can bring to the table. In this conversation, we dive into how HR leaders can move beyond traditional administrative roles and step confidently into positions of influence and impact. Joyce makes a strong case for seeing HR professionals as business leaders first, HR leaders second, reflecting a broader shift toward deeper integration within the business.


Together, we unpack the importance of clarity and communication, what it really means to have a seat at the table, and the often-overlooked role of HR as a coach and leadership developer. Joyce also shares how HR can act as a stabilizing, strategic force in talent management—and how vital that becomes in moments of change or crisis. It’s a candid, insightful, and energizing conversation about what HR leadership looks like at its best—and what it means for the future of work.

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