Welcome to the Rushmore Podcast, where legends join Ari Emanuel and Ben Persky to debate the ultimate Mount Rushmore of any topic.Pulitzer Prize-winning historian Doris Kearns Goodwin & Jon Meacham join the Rushmore table to tackle an impossible question. Which Americans who never held the presidency deserve to be on Mount Rushmore?The conversation spans centuries: Benjamin Franklin's endless curiosity, Frederick Douglass navigating the contradictions of America, Elizabeth Cady Stanton's declaration of sentiments, and Thomas Paine's words that armed a revolution. Then, a heated debate arises over the fourth spot, with names like Walt Whitman, Alexander Hamilton, John Marshall, Thomas Edison, and Jonathan Letterman, a Civil War doctor who forever changed battlefield medicine.Special thanks to Doris Kearns Goodwin & Jon Meacham for joining our Non-Presidents episode.

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