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Relating to DevSecOps

Relating to DevSecOps

By: Ken Toler and Mike McCabe
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A Podcast dedicated to forging iron clad relationships between developers, engineers, operations, and security practitioners by discussing hot topics in the world of DevSecOps. This podcast aims to air out some of the common gripes, misconceptions, and hardships that these teams face in the real world every day.© 2025 Relating to DevSecOps Career Success Economics
Episodes
  • Episode #081: Burnout by Budget Season: Surviving Q4 in Security
    Oct 29 2025

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    In this candid and cathartic episode, Ken and Mike unpack the chaos that is Q4 for security professionals. From budget burnouts to end-of-year pentesting sprints, they explore why the final months of the year feel like a perfect storm for stress. Tune in as they share hard-earned lessons, practical advice for maintaining your sanity, and some gentle reminders that not everything needs to ship before Christmas. Whether you’re a tired vendor, an overwhelmed engineer, or just trying to make it to PTO, this episode is for you.

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    22 mins
  • Episode #080: Patch Me If You Can: Compliance, SLAs, and Other Fairytales
    Aug 25 2025

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    In this no-punches-pulled return from hiatus, Ken and Mike dig deep into the messy middle of vulnerability management, SLA fatigue, and the illusion of compliance. Are we building secure systems or just passing audits? From legacy cruft to exploitable CVEs, this episode unpacks the real-world pressures of SOC 2, the auditor dance, and whether fixing every “critical” is even feasible.

    Perfect for practitioners trying to balance the checkbox culture with actual risk reduction, this one’s got stories, strategies, and spicy takes. Bonus: tips on managing auditors without losing your mind—or your security posture.

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    34 mins
  • Episode 079: CISOver It: When Dashboards Replace Direction
    Jun 10 2025

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    In this episode of Relating to DevSecOps, Ken and Mike discuss the challenges faced by CISOs in today's security landscape, particularly the struggle to balance immediate security needs with long-term preventative strategies. They explore the disconnect between security leadership and practitioners, the urgency of addressing security issues, and the importance of understanding the root causes of vulnerabilities. The conversation emphasizes the need for CISOs to engage more deeply with their teams and to focus on effective, context-driven security solutions rather than simply reacting to the latest threats.

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    37 mins
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