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Relating to DevSecOps

Relating to DevSecOps

By: Ken Toler and Mike McCabe
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A Podcast dedicated to forging iron clad relationships between developers, engineers, operations, and security practitioners by discussing hot topics in the world of DevSecOps. This podcast aims to air out some of the common gripes, misconceptions, and hardships that these teams face in the real world every day.© 2026 Relating to DevSecOps Career Success Economics
Episodes
  • Episode #082: AI Hype, Human Cost
    Mar 17 2026

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    Ken and Mike are back from the grave to kick off 2026 with a timely debate on the AI panic cycle hitting software and security. They dig into the biggest questions flying around the industry right now: Is AI taking developer and security jobs? Is SaaS dying? Is software engineering being replaced by vibe coding and agents? From maker-checker workflows and token costs to AI-generated bugs, false positives, and attackers using autonomous tooling to move faster, this episode cuts through the hype from both the doomer and evangelist camps. The conclusion: software isn’t dead, security definitely isn’t solved, and the teams that adapt their craft instead of abandoning it will be the ones that keep up.

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    44 mins
  • Episode #081: Burnout by Budget Season: Surviving Q4 in Security
    Oct 29 2025

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    In this candid and cathartic episode, Ken and Mike unpack the chaos that is Q4 for security professionals. From budget burnouts to end-of-year pentesting sprints, they explore why the final months of the year feel like a perfect storm for stress. Tune in as they share hard-earned lessons, practical advice for maintaining your sanity, and some gentle reminders that not everything needs to ship before Christmas. Whether you’re a tired vendor, an overwhelmed engineer, or just trying to make it to PTO, this episode is for you.

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    22 mins
  • Episode #080: Patch Me If You Can: Compliance, SLAs, and Other Fairytales
    Aug 25 2025

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    In this no-punches-pulled return from hiatus, Ken and Mike dig deep into the messy middle of vulnerability management, SLA fatigue, and the illusion of compliance. Are we building secure systems or just passing audits? From legacy cruft to exploitable CVEs, this episode unpacks the real-world pressures of SOC 2, the auditor dance, and whether fixing every “critical” is even feasible.

    Perfect for practitioners trying to balance the checkbox culture with actual risk reduction, this one’s got stories, strategies, and spicy takes. Bonus: tips on managing auditors without losing your mind—or your security posture.

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    34 mins
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