The way of Jesus is for organizations to nurture flourishing individuals and societies.

But many of us have experienced the devastating effects of a toxic work environment.

This is not the way God meant organizations to run. From the ancient Old Testament Scriptures and the teachings of Jesus and his Apostles, everything in life is meant for universal flourishing, or Shalom.

Our guest is Dr. Justin Irving, Professor of Christian Leadership at The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky. His newest book is titled, Healthy Leadership for Thriving Organizations: Creating Contexts Where People Flourish (Baker Academic, 2024), In it, he provides theological foundations for healthy Christian leadership in for-profit corporations, nonprofits, and churches. He also provides insights from interviewing over 200 executive leaders.

In our discussion, we discuss:

* Leadership for human flourishing

* Cultivating healthy teams

* Delegation for the good of the people we lead and for the organization

* What hinders good organizational communication

* How to measure how healthy an organizational culture is

* How to be sure that every aspect of an organization aligns with the organization’s values and beliefs

In our conversation, we discussed the Good Place Operating System (GPOS), from The Good Place Institute, for which Bob Robinson is a Partner Consultant. The GPOS is a systematic approach to clearly stating a purpose and mission in a charter, to build all the systems in an organization to align with the charter, and then to measure success on business dashboards. If you’d like to explore implementing an operating system meant for kingdom purposes in which people are valued, communities flourish, and profits are made for these regenerative purposes, connect with Bob by emailing him at Bob.Robinson@goodplaceinstitute.com .

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Dr. Justin Irving

After serving for 20 years at Bethel Seminary in a variety of faculty and administrative roles, Dr. Justin Irving now serves as Professor of Leadership, Chair of the Department of Leadership and Discipleship, and Director of the Ed.D. program at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, KY. Check out his Purpose in Leadership blog. Dr. Irving is a member at Sojourn Church Midtown in Louisville, Kentucky. He is married to Tasha, and they have five children.

Would you consider buying Dr. Irving’s books from independent booksellers Byron and Beth Borger at Hearts & Minds Bookstore? They are eager to serve God’s people with great books. Order online through their secure server or call 717-246-333. Mention that you heard about the book on the Reintegrate Podcast and get 20% off.

Some people are lucky enough to get paid to do what they love. But many are not.

In You Have a Calling: Finding Your Vocation in the True, Good, and Beautiful, (Brazos Press, 2025), award-winning author Karen Swallow Prior has encouraging news: If you pursue the good, true, and beautiful in all your work, you will find your greatest fulfillment.

In this conversation, we discuss:

* The difference between passion and calling. How does this help us make vocational decisions?

* What are the various callings we have, not just in our 9-to-5, but in all of life?

* How does our context determine our callings, including when and where we live, who is in our lives, and what needs arise?

* How are our callings from outside ourselves, often in the service to others?

* How can we find meaning in every role, regardless of what our career is?

* How can we reintegrate our vocational lives through truth, goodness, and beauty?

Our discussion will help anyone and everyone who wants to know that our daily work, ordinary though it may be, can fulfill a higher calling to God. You will gain a renewed sense of purpose, knowing you are created for virtue in all that you do.

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Dr. Karen Swallow Prior

Dr. Karen Swallow Prior is the 2025-26 Karlson Scholar at Bethel Seminary. She has been a reader and a writer her entire life. She earned her PhD in English from the State University of New York at Buffalo. She has taught at Liberty University and Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary. She has written or co-written several books, including study guides for some of the greatest books in British literature.

Would you consider buying Karen’s books from independent booksellers Byron and Beth Borger at Hearts & Minds Bookstore? They are eager to serve God’s people with great books. Order online through their secure server or call 717-246-333. Mention that you heard about these books on the Reintegrate Podcast and get 20% off.

After another day of trying to meet deadlines and working on projects, you’re again dissatisfied with how much you did or how well you did it. Then you go home, grab a bite to eat, and then go to your kid’s concert or sporting event. When you come back home, you see that big house chore that has been waiting for weeks. You sigh and drop into bed thinking, “What’s wrong with me? Why can’t I get more done?” We are constantly colliding with our limitations.

And we think that it is because we are fallen, sinful people. But what if? What if our limitations are a gift from God, that this is part of the very good part of being a created being? What if we are not supposed to carry the burden of trying to be something we are not and cannot be?

Our guest on this episode is theologian Dr. Kelly M. Kapic. He’s written a book that addresses this guilt we all experience when we feel that we should always be doing one more thing. Its title is You’re Only Human: How Your Limits Reflect God’s Design and Why that’s Good News (Brazos, 2022). This book has won a number of awards, including Christianity Today’s Book of the Year award in the category of Popular Theology.

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Dr. Kelly M. Kapic

Kelly M. Kapic is Professor of Theological Studies at Covenant College, where he has taught since 2001. With a PhD in Systematic and Historical Theology from King’s College University of London, Kapic has written or edited over fifteen books.

His earlier work includes Embodied Hope: A Theological Meditation on Pain and Suffering, A Little Book For New Theologians: Why and How to Study Theology, and The God Who Gives: How the Trinity Shapes the Christian Story. He also completed two volumes with the economist Brian Fikkert: Becoming Whole: Why the Opposite of Poverty isn’t the American Dream and A Field Guide to Becoming Whole: Principles for Poverty Alleviation Ministries. His upcoming release will be Christian Life (in the New Studies in Dogmatics series of books from ‎Zondervan Academic).

We recommend purchasing these books from independent booksellers Byron and Beth Borger at Hearts & Minds Bookstore. They are eager to serve God’s people with great books. Order online through their secure server or call 717-246-333. Mention that you heard about these books on the Reintegrate Podcast and get 20% off.