This episode of Navigating the Cross, "Prayer, Conversion, and Apologetics," features host Spencer and guest Luis, a St. Leo University student. The discussion begins with Luis describing himself as a cradle Catholic submitted to Rome whose faith matured after his confirmation in eighth grade.

The hosts explore periods of spiritual lukewarmness, particularly during Luis's first year of college, where he describes being "Catholic only by name". Luis shares his journey of deepening his prayer life, starting with quiet time in the chapel and attending daily Mass in high school, sometimes even lying to friends to do so. A major point of the conversation is the hosts' mutual discovery—and subsequent shock—that many Catholics, including themselves, were never taught the practical necessity of avoiding Communion while in a state of mortal sin. They emphasize the need for greater reverence for the Eucharist.

The podcast also delves into Catholic apologetics, using the writings of the Church Fathers (such as St. Ignatius of Antioch) to prove the historical consistency of Catholic teachings, including the Eucharist and the papacy.

Luis also outlines the nine levels of prayer according to St. Teresa of Ávila and St. John of the Cross, detailing the progression from vocal prayer to transforming union (spiritual marriage with God). He notes that he decided to "lock in" and take his faith seriously after being inspired by the conversion story of St. Augustine, realizing that "every sinner has a future and every saint has a past".