John Green returns to the show to talk about tuberculosis — a disease that kills more than a million people a year. Steve has an idea for a new way to get treatment to those in need.

• SOURCES:
  • John Green, best-selling author and YouTube creator.

• RESOURCES:
  • Everything Is Tuberculosis: The History and Persistence of Our Deadliest Infection, by John Green (2025).
  • "The Deadliest Infectious Disease Isn’t a Science Problem. It’s a Money Problem," by John Green (The Washington Post, 2024).
  • "The Deadliest Infectious Disease of All Time," by John Green (Crash Course, 2024).
  • "Barely Contained Rage: An Open Letter to Johnson & Johnson," by John Green (Vlogbrothers, 2023).
  • "Designing Advance Market Commitments for New Vaccines," by Michael Kremer, Jonathan D. Levin, and Christopher M. Snyder (NBER, 2020).
  • "Are CEOs Rewarded for Luck? The Ones Without Principals Are," by Marianne Bertrand and Sendhil Mullainathan (The Quarterly Journal of Economics, 2001).
  • "A Further Communication on a Remedy for Tuberculosis," by Robert Koch (The Indian Medical Gazette, 1891).

• EXTRAS:
  • "His Brilliant Videos Get Millions of Views. Why Don’t They Make Money?" by People I (Mostly) Admire (2025).
  • "Sendhil Mullainathan Thinks Messing Around Is the Best Use of Your Time (Update)," by People I (Mostly) Admire (2024).
  • "John Green’s Reluctant Rocket Ship Ride (Update)" by People I (Mostly) Admire (2024).
  • "Rajiv Shah Never Wastes a Crisis," by People I (Mostly) Admire (2024).
  • "'There’s So Many Problems — Which Ones Can I Make a Difference On?'" by People I (Mostly) Admire (2022).
  • The Anthropocene Reviewed: Essays on a Human-Centered Planet, by John Green (2021).
  • The Anthropocene Reviewed (podcast).
  • Nerdfighteria.
  • TBFighters.

Abraham Verghese is a physician and a best-selling author — in that order, he says. He explains the difference between curing and healing, and tells Steve why doctors should spend more time with patients and less with electronic health records.

• SOURCES:
  • Abraham Verghese, professor of medicine at Stanford University and best-selling novelist.

• RESOURCES:
  • The Covenant of Water, by Abraham Verghese (2023).
  • “Abraham Verghese’s Sweeping New Fable of Family and Medicine,” by Andrew Solomon (The New York Times, 2023).
  • “Watch Oprah’s Emotional Conversation with Abraham Verghese, Author of the 101st Oprah’s Book Club Pick” (Oprah Daily, 2023).
  • “How Indian Teachers Have Shaped Ethiopia’s Education System,” by Mariam Jafri (The Quint, 2023).
  • “How Tech Can Turn Doctors Into Clerical Workers,” by Abraham Verghese (The New York Times Magazine, 2018).
  • Cutting for Stone, by Abraham Verghese (2009).
  • “Culture Shock — Patient as Icon, Icon as Patient,” by Abraham Verghese (The New England Journal of Medicine, 2008).
  • “The Cowpath to America,” by Abraham Verghese (The New Yorker, 1997).
  • My Own Country: A Doctor’s Story, by Abraham Verghese (1994).
  • “Urbs in Rure: Human Immunodeficiency Virus Infection in Rural Tennessee,” by Abraham Verghese, Steven L. Berk, and Felix Sarubbi (The Journal of Infectious Diseases, 1989).

• EXTRAS:
  • “Are You Suffering From Burnout?” by No Stupid Questions (2023).
  • “Would You Rather See a Computer or a Doctor?” by Freakonomics, M.D. (2022).
  • “How Do You Cure a Compassion Crisis?” by Freakonomics Radio (2020).
  • The Citadel, by A. J. Cronin (1937).
  • Uncle Tom’s Cabin, by Harriet Beecher Stowe (1852).

Jens Ludwig has an idea for how to fix America’s gun violence problem — and it starts by rejecting conventional wisdom from both sides of the political aisle.

• SOURCES:
  • Jens Ludwig, professor of economics at the University of Chicago and director of the University of Chicago Crime Lab.

• RESOURCES:
  • Unforgiving Places: The Unexpected Origins of American Gun Violence, by Jens Ludwig (2025).
  • "Scope Challenges to Social Impact," by Monica Bhatt, Jonathan Guryan, Jens Ludwig, and Anuj Shah (National Bureau of Economic Research, 2021).
  • "Citywide cluster randomized trial to restore blighted vacant land and its effects on violence, crime, and fear," by Charles Branas, Eugenia South, Michelle Kondo, Bernadette Hohl, Philippe Bourgois, Douglas Wiebe, and John MacDonald (Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 2018).
  • "Thinking, Fast and Slow? Some Field Experiments to Reduce Crime and Dropout in Chicago," by Sara Heller, Anuj Shah, Jonathan Guryan, Jens Ludwig, Sendhil Mullainathan, and Harold Pollack (Quarterly Journal of Economics, 2016).
  • Thinking, Fast and Slow, by Daniel Kahneman (2013).
  • "Homicide and Suicide Rates Associated With Implementation of the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act," by Jens Ludwig and Philip Cook (Journal of the American Medical Association, 2000).
  • The Death and Life of Great American Cities, by Jane Jacobs (1992).
  • The University of Chicago Crime Lab.
  • "Becoming a Man" (University of Chicago Crime Lab).

• EXTRAS:
  • "Do the Police Have a Management Problem?" by Freakonomics Radio (2023).
  • "From prison to Ph.D, this activist fights for peace in Chicago," by Kenya Downs (PBS News, 2016).