In this episode, Daniel and Philipa are joined by award-winning permaculture teacher and designer, Morag Gamble, and best-selling author and integrator, Jeremy Lent. Together, they discuss the urgent need to realign our patterns of meaning with the life-sustaining patterns of our planet to create thriving, regenerative cultures.

Morag Gamble is an award-winning permaculture teacher and designer, who has been at the forefront of the permaculture revolution for over 30 years. She is the founder of the Permaculture Education Institute and the Executive Director of Ethos Foundation, a permaculture education charity for refugees. She hosts the Sense-Making in a Changing World podcast, exploring what a thriving one-planet way of life looks like with leading ecological thinkers, activists, authors, designers and practitioners.

Jeremy Lent, described by Guardian journalist George Monbiot as “one of the greatest thinkers of our age,” is an author and speaker whose work investigates the underlying causes of our civilization’s existential crisis, and explores pathways toward a life-affirming future. His award-winning book, The Patterning Instinct: A Cultural History of Humanity's Search for Meaning, explores the way humans have made meaning from the cosmos from hunter-gatherer times to the present day. His new book, The Web of Meaning: Integrating Science and Traditional Wisdom to Find Our Place in the Universe, offers a coherent and intellectually solid foundation for a worldview based on connectedness that could lead humanity to a sustainable, flourishing future.