I think it's very obvious that many of us feel a strong fear now and that this fear is overstated. We show more fear than isrelevant in this situation. And one thing, of course, we should do is to take a deep breath and ask ourselves, is it really so frightening and so dangerous as we believe? Is it truly so that our world is changing in a way that is like in the 1930s, for instance, with fascism in Europe and so on. Is it the same thinghappening? And is it impossible? if it is happening to counteract it and to resist it. And I think we have a tendency to be more fearful than we have reason to be and to be less confident of ourselves than we have reason to be because it's so novel. It's so surprising to us that anyone could go out andsay there's no climate crisis.

Host Sandja Brügmann in conversation with TorNørretranders on Sindsro and the wisdom of elders.

About New Global Mind: A video podcast exploring brighter futures through leadership. A series from The Passion Institute. Each episode explores innovative ideas, wisdom and strategies with cross-disciplinary experts in systems science, strategic transformation, human behavior, consciousness, sustainability, psychology, economics, spirituality, and technology.

About Tor Nørretranders is is an independent author, thinker and speaker based in Denmark, serving an international audience. A leading science communicator of Denmark, Tor has involved himself in numerous activities in the public arena, from newspaper journalism through books and magazine articles to hosting and producing television shows on science and the general world view. His lecture tours, gathering tens of thousands of people, have been major events on the Scandinavian scene. Originally graduated as a M.Sc. inenvironmental planning and the sociology of science, Tor has been academically employed at the Technical University of Denmark, The Royal Academy of Fine Arts and the Risø National Laboratory. He was honored as adjunct professor in thephilosophy of science at Copenhagen Business School. His scientific publications include studies of pattern formation in fluids, the information content of conscious experience and the output and quality of Danish science. He has been involved in creating collaborative networks of artists and scientists. Tor has published 30+ books spanning issues from the worldview of science and the role of science in society to environmental issues and the realm of human experience and consciousness. "Mærk verden" from 1991 (English title: The User Illusion) became an international bestseller, even though it is a 500-page treatise on the role of consciousness in human affairs, based on material from physics, mathematics, psychology, neurophysiology, information theory and the history of ideas. Another international bestseller, "Det generøse menneske" from 2002 (English title: The Generous Man), deals with the role of generosity and sociality in human affairs. In 2025 Tor published “Alderdomsoprør” about the potential role of the elderly as spearheads of a new revolt against the monotony of life and nature stemming from modern life. The book advocates for serenity as the value needed for a new age.

About Host SandjaBrügmann, Founder & CEO of The Passion Institute—astrategic transformation institute—a global visionary in leadership andstrategic transformation, engages thought leaders and practitioners to shapeour collective future. Named one of the "World's Leadership Gurus" byLederne and known as 'The Board Whisperer' among leaders, she is renowned forher expertise in systems awareness and strategic sustainable transformation. Sheand team empower forward-thinking organizations and leaders to cultivate theskills and strategies crucial for the transition.