What if divorce could be a path to healing, rather than harm? In this conversation, attorney Nanci Smith offers a window into the world of collaborative divorce—a non-adversarial approach designed to help families navigate separation with dignity, empathy, and support. Drawing on over 30 years of experience and themes from her book Untangling Your Marriage: A Guide to Collaborative Divorce, we explore why divorce is more than just a legal process- it's a life transition that deserves the same care and recognition as any other major rite of passage. This episode invites listeners to reimagine what divorce can look like when conflict gives way to collaboration.

A link to Nanci's website is here: https://nancismithlaw.com/

Mark is a trauma-informed coach with roots in somatics, development, and mindfulness. He is also a trained teacher of Mindful Self-Compassion and believes how we talk to ourselves is more than just a way to feel better. It’s also instrumental to our growth as leaders in a complex world. He came to Not Simple to discuss what we get wrong about self-compassion, as well as how it can improve our lives.

Learn more about the course Mark and Rebecca are leading here. And use the code MSC50 for 50% off.

Cathy Carroll is the granddaughter of an entrepreneur who led a Fortune 500 company and the daughter of an entrepreneur. She led a turnaround of her father's manufacturing business and encountered the distinctions between leadership in a corporate domain and leadership in a family business. She founded Legacy Onward, Inc. to support family business leaders through the complexities of family business leadership. Her book Hug of War: How to Lead a Family Business with both Love and Logic is out now.

Rebecca and Cathy discussed the complexities of leadership in family businesses, with Cathy sharing her insights from her experience leading her father's business and her book, "Hug of War, How to Lead a Family Business with both Love and Logic." They explored the concept of 'hug of war' and the importance of balancing the business and family mindsets in a family business. The conversation also touched on the concept of integrating opposing mindsets, the role of shadow influencers, and the challenges of leadership and ownership succession in family businesses.

Mentioned in the podcast: Navigating Polarities with Andiron