Reshma interviews former New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern live on stage about her new book, A Different Kind of Power! This thoughtful conversation covers Jacinda’s leadership style built on compassion and kindness, becoming a mom while in office, and how to navigate self-doubt and imposter syndrome without letting them define you. Plus, Jacinda discusses her difficult decision to resign at the height of her power and shares what’s giving her hope right now.

This program was recorded live at the Chicago Humanities 2025 Spring Festival on June 8, 2025.

Event produced by Jesse Swanson.

Associate produced by Nikki Konomos.

Event stage managed by Sophia Fishkins.

Event produced and mixed by Dan Glomski.

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Actor, producer, and screenwriter Lena Waithe recently completed a 10-day silent retreat during which she had a lot of time to ponder big topics and ideas like attachment, legacy, acceptance, and detachment. After Reshma shares that she’s also done a Vipassana, she and Lena dig deep into ambition, the American Dream, the patriarchy, and the expectations that often get attached to love. Reshma also asks Lena about her career, including how she decides what stories to tell and what Lena learned about writing from the creators of Friends.

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Too many women in midlife think they’re too old, too busy, or too inexperienced to go after their dreams. Moms Demand Action founder Shannon Watts wants you to know none of that is true! She lays out how to push that nonsense aside and follow your desires in her latest book, Fired Up. She and Reshma get into how to figure out what you’re passionate about, why midlife is the perfect time to pursue what fires you up, and how to reconcile the idea that focusing on these things will take away from being a mother. Plus, how Shannon reframes failures in order to keep moving forward.

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