In this episode, Charlie and Mike reflect on the podcast, what they had originally hoped to get out of it and the direction it took. If you are reading this and you have listened. Thank you!

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To mum or not to mum, that is the question. Mary Robb reflects on her pathway to becoming a mum and the 'sliding doors' moment of her early 20's.

This conversation explores the idea of identity. When your role as mother defines how others see you, how do you hold space for your individuality?

Mary talks about how she had to 'go her own way' to pursue a passion for social justice and raise a family. As the Associate Director of Indigenous Partnerships at The University of Melbourne and mother of three remarkable women, her own way seems to have turned out preeeetttty good. Not to mention picking up one helluva son-in-law along the way.

What is it like to have a vision of the family you hope for and to see that whittle down to something else? How do we find acceptance that this picture you had might not be for you? Believing the dark in her world adds to the light - Trudi Boatwright shares her experiences in the hope it brings some insight to the many women with similar stories. Trudi speaks with clarity, balancing vulnerability and humour as she talks us through her struggle to build a family through multiple miscarriages. An ongoing process of letting go, inviting play into her life leaning into the beauty of the 'triangle' family she has built.

Trudi is speaker, a theatre maker and coach. She helps people use play in their organisations (& their lives) in search of happier, more connected communities. This conversation is a great reflection of Trudi: Play and raw soulfulness.