Our 2025 finale features Heather and Andrew — the sweetest couple with a love story that starts in the most unexpected place: a gas station parking lot. A window knock turned into inseparability, but addiction quickly complicated their relationship.
What followed were painful cycles, failed rehab attempts, broken trust, and eventually Andrew’s incarceration. But that wasn’t the end — it was the beginning of their rebuilding.
Now both sober, living deliberately through NA, and fully committed to one another, Heather and Andrew show us what real recovery and real partnership looks like. Their energy together is infectious, their love is obvious, and interviewing them as a couple was one of our favorite experiences yet.

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In this heartfelt episode, Julia shares what it looks like to parent with a partner who’s incarcerated — and how her husband refuses to let distance define his role as a father. From teaching her daughter how to ride a bike during a video visit (with the whole unit cheering her on) to attending every doctor’s appointment for their autistic child, he shows that fatherhood doesn’t end at intake.
Julia opens up about how he’s become a mentor to other incarcerated dads, encouraging them to keep reaching out to their children even when the relationship feels broken. She describes how they “bring guys along” for virtual movie nights, girl-time face masks, and family moments they might otherwise miss.
This experience has changed Julia’s life too — so much so that she’s now pursuing law school, fueled by a passion for legislative change and a deep belief that her husband might never have reoffended if the right support had existed. This conversation is tender, inspiring, and a testament to what family can look like in impossible circumstances.

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In this follow-up episode, we sit down with Matt — the husband of our Canadian prison wife from last month — to pull back the curtain on what incarceration actually looks like in Canada. Matt explains how Canada eliminated solitary confinement and why that unexpected change has made prisons safer for both staff and incarcerated people. He walks us through the process for conjugal visits, the surprising “creature comforts” men receive inside, and how wages, communication, and day-to-day life compare to what we see in the U.S. From $6-an-hour work programs to unlimited, affordable phone calls, Matt gives us an honest, eye-opening look at a system that operates very differently from the one most of our listeners know.

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